Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as an analogy for what? give an example.
i suspect you're getting confused between comparison and analogy.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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i suspect you're getting confused between comparison and analogy.
bemused
Well-Known Member
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Can't be done imo.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
I found this comment particularly insightful about the dangers of Brexit fatigue and the way that the transition deal is potentially a very dangerous trap.
"Hardline leavers don’t like this smudging of Brexit boundaries, but they haven’t kicked up a fuss because they recognise that transition is a lethal trap for the remain cause. It kills EU membership right on time next March, while deferring any painful impact until 2021, well beyond current political attention spans."
The zealots will sleepwalk us into Brexit if we let them | Rafael Behr
"Hardline leavers don’t like this smudging of Brexit boundaries, but they haven’t kicked up a fuss because they recognise that transition is a lethal trap for the remain cause. It kills EU membership right on time next March, while deferring any painful impact until 2021, well beyond current political attention spans."
The zealots will sleepwalk us into Brexit if we let them | Rafael Behr
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Lucky they haven't got a country to run in the meantime eh?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Ministers suffer first Lords Brexit defeat
Brexit bill: May under pressure after two big defeats in Lords
Just putting these reports of the government's defeats in the House of Lords last night as they have disappeared from the front pages of the newspapers pdq
Brexit bill: May under pressure after two big defeats in Lords
Just putting these reports of the government's defeats in the House of Lords last night as they have disappeared from the front pages of the newspapers pdq
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Or what?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
The timescale goes. or there is a no deal scenario.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but what do you think?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I think those who voted brexit have to come up with the solution.
They knew what they were voting for after all.
They knew what they were voting for after all.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Which is very fortunate because they're not actually doing so
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, it was all about the irish border
Supine
Newt Member
They're generally a bunch of small minded misguided idiots, so I'd suggest they are the last people who are suitable to come up with a solution.
andysays
Love and solidarity
And racist, don't forget racist
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I have posted the links above because they are part of the brexit discussion.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
The Irish border is a big fucking deal in whether or not Brexit will happen, though probably more, I reckon, in what sort of Brexit it is.
I keep saying it, but I'll be like philosophical and repeat myself:
Theresa May's "red lines" on Ireland are self-contradictory. They cannot all be met - no part of UK in Single Market or Customs Union, no hard border/border remains as it is, no "border" between Northern Ireland and rest of UK.
If the Irish border isn't sorted out, they don't go on to trade talks.
It's fucking madness and no-one seems to be prepared to write the front page headline - THERESA MAY IS EITHER MAD OR DISHONEST - that it deserves.
I keep saying it, but I'll be like philosophical and repeat myself:
Theresa May's "red lines" on Ireland are self-contradictory. They cannot all be met - no part of UK in Single Market or Customs Union, no hard border/border remains as it is, no "border" between Northern Ireland and rest of UK.
If the Irish border isn't sorted out, they don't go on to trade talks.
It's fucking madness and no-one seems to be prepared to write the front page headline - THERESA MAY IS EITHER MAD OR DISHONEST - that it deserves.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
You say I repeat myself, yet the links I post above relate to fresh stuff that hadn't been aired previously.
On the island of Ireland, including Northern Ireland people have the agreed right to have an Irish passport.
So if the reports are to be believed, you can be living legitimately in Northern Ireland, hold an Irish Passport and as a result you can be discriminated against getting a job on the Border Force in the place where you have lived and grown up all your life.
Discriminated against because of your passport, because you're not 'British' in a documented sense.
Maybe it would turn out to be those jobs initially, and once the precedent has been set other jobs would be included.
One example would be holding political office.
I feel certain that there are members of the Northern Irish Assembly (when it is up and running) who would have an Irish passport and not a British one.
What with the Windrush scandal bringing these questions of nationality and rights back on to the agenda, and fuelling the unease felt by EU nationals (including citizens of the Republic of Ireland), and most especially when these issues are translated into practical realities of job losses, and denial of treatment for example, then it becomes yet another way of viewing the impact wrought upon us all by those who voted for brexit. I see the details regarding the Irish border as one of practical realities.
The obvious common denominator is the 'otherness' of mainland EU nationals, the Windrush people and the Irish. It is possible that the definition of racism is a moving feast, but these issues seem to me to be heavily associated with matters of racial discrimination whatever 'technical' arguments are assembled to say otherwise.
Those who voted for brexit ushered in some of this stuff, and for some brexit voters the response to my continual raising of it is to put me down in a myriad of ways, to wash their hands of their responsibility for what is happening, or assemble an agenda where certainly something like the Irish border is at the bottom.
On the island of Ireland, including Northern Ireland people have the agreed right to have an Irish passport.
So if the reports are to be believed, you can be living legitimately in Northern Ireland, hold an Irish Passport and as a result you can be discriminated against getting a job on the Border Force in the place where you have lived and grown up all your life.
Discriminated against because of your passport, because you're not 'British' in a documented sense.
Maybe it would turn out to be those jobs initially, and once the precedent has been set other jobs would be included.
One example would be holding political office.
I feel certain that there are members of the Northern Irish Assembly (when it is up and running) who would have an Irish passport and not a British one.
What with the Windrush scandal bringing these questions of nationality and rights back on to the agenda, and fuelling the unease felt by EU nationals (including citizens of the Republic of Ireland), and most especially when these issues are translated into practical realities of job losses, and denial of treatment for example, then it becomes yet another way of viewing the impact wrought upon us all by those who voted for brexit. I see the details regarding the Irish border as one of practical realities.
The obvious common denominator is the 'otherness' of mainland EU nationals, the Windrush people and the Irish. It is possible that the definition of racism is a moving feast, but these issues seem to me to be heavily associated with matters of racial discrimination whatever 'technical' arguments are assembled to say otherwise.
Those who voted for brexit ushered in some of this stuff, and for some brexit voters the response to my continual raising of it is to put me down in a myriad of ways, to wash their hands of their responsibility for what is happening, or assemble an agenda where certainly something like the Irish border is at the bottom.
not-bono-ever
meh
I am shocked there is UKG sponsored discrimination in the north, Shocked I tell you
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
It was a joke on my part, philosophical, I don't mind how many times you say things or if you do repeat yourself, because I kind of agree that the Irish border is a huge roadblock to either Brexit happening or any decent sort of deal with the EU post Brexit and is a huge issue that everyone seems happy to just go hum de hum, ho de ho about, sort of assuming that "something will turn up".
May's demands don't appear to be negotiating positions. If they're not then there can be no Brexit deal, and god knows what will happen on the island of Ireland.
May's demands don't appear to be negotiating positions. If they're not then there can be no Brexit deal, and god knows what will happen on the island of Ireland.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I have not posted here every day. So when you say 'for once' what is that supposed to mean?
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