Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teuchter]

I don’t think you understand what “workable” means either.

I think I understand that to you it means "something that could happen were all the conditions right for it to happen".

 

[Pickman's model]

So the operation of the gfa leading to a united ireland subverts the gfa?

it's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[StigoftheDig]

I'm repeating myself too, but all the "workable" solutions for the Irish border have been ruled out by May's Red Lines.

And those Red Lines mean your workable solution must include:

No "hard border" - and that seems to mean leaving the border exactly as it is now so you can just stroll across, no cameras no nothing.

No difference in laws, regulations, status and so on between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK - so no "Irish Sea border".

It's madness! I honestly don't get what they're doing.

(Just to state my position, I voted Remain, I can't see any justification for a 2nd referendum and can't imagine that changing unless something hugely dramatic happens (Russians release Farage and Trump pee tape perhaps - sleep well!) I hope we get a good deal and think "no deal" could be a disaster.)

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm repeating myself too, but all the "workable" solutions for the Irish border have been ruled out by May's Red Lines.

And those Red Lines mean your workable solution must include:

No "hard border" - and that seems to mean leaving the border exactly as it is now so you can just stroll across, no cameras no nothing.

No difference in laws, regulations, status and so on between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK - so no "Irish Sea border".

It's madness! I honestly don't get what they're doing.

(Just to state my position, I voted Remain, I can't see any justification for a 2nd referendum and can't imagine that changing unless something hugely dramatic happens (Russians release Farage and Trump pee tape perhaps - sleep well!) I hope we get a good deal and think "no deal" could be a disaster.)

should be white lines

 

[kabbes]

I think I understand that to you it means "something that could happen were all the conditions right for it to happen".

nope

 

[StigoftheDig]

Maybe so if the solutions they seem to have ended up with are either some super-high-tech thing that no-one knows about yet, or the Rees Mogg solution of Ireland also leaving the EU and essentially rejoining the UK!

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[ViolentPanda]

only the lib dems would go for such madness at this time. And I'm sure I can guess who'd vote for them again

What, besides trevhagl ?

 

[pocketscience]

Load of Bullocks

 

[StigoftheDig]

It's a different Steve Bullock!

He might be lots of things, but he's not the Millwall bloke.

Steve Bullock (@GuitarMoog) on Twitter

 

[pocketscience]

D'oh

 

[StigoftheDig]

All Bullocks are equal, but some are more equal than others. . .

 

[philosophical]

BBC Radio 4 - Davy Crockett and the Irish Frontiersmen

 

[David Clapson]

Gina Miller has tweeted a link to an interesting Times story about the NI border. But I can't read it - seems I need a promo code to read 2 articles per week. Or something. Here's the link Brexit and the Irish border Can anyone paste the story or give me a code pls??

 

[DotCommunist]

Hillary Clinton: Brexit must not undermine peace in Northern Ireland

used prison/slave labour, husbands a rapist and you helped to cover it. Something else. Oh yeah,lost to trump.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hillary Clinton: Brexit must not undermine peace in Northern Ireland

used prison/slave labour, husbands a rapist and you helped to cover it. Something else. Oh yeah,lost to trump.

yeh but won the popular vote

 

[DotCommunist]

yeh but won the popular vote

bernie would have won the college, the pop vote and the world cup for england tho

 

[mather]

Hillary Clinton: Brexit must not undermine peace in Northern Ireland

used prison/slave labour, husbands a rapist and you helped to cover it. Something else. Oh yeah,lost to trump.

Not to mention American support for Irish terrorism, NORAID etc...

 

[StigoftheDig]

Interesting poll, not on the "whether" but on the "what".

Quite encouraging for the Labour view:

https://www.ippr.org/files/2018-03/1521809277_leaving-the-eu-briefing-part2.pdf

There's an article here that sort of summarises it:

Public attitudes to Brexit: the referendum was more a vote for re-regulation than for de-regulation | British Politics and Policy at LSE

Though, I'm not sure they do so entirely fairly - they've decided not to talk about the immigration "tradeoff" (50% of people, largest group, favour immigration controls over freer trade in services).

The polling method is slightly different too, so you may want to look at the questions before you take a particularly strong view.

The headline that's been thrown around has been the massive public opposition (85%) to lowering food standards to get a trade deal with the US of Trump.

 

[philosophical]

Ahern: People would 'pull down' Irish border

 

[Teaboy]

Ahern: People would 'pull down' Irish border

Do you have any views or opinions or interests in anything else at all? You're coming across as a weirdo obsessive.

 

[philosophical]

You are applying your personal filter when sitting in judgement over me. You are not necessarily correct.
Today is the anniversary of the Belfast agreement, hence me posting that link. It suits your personal psychology to respond with a put down. You have the problem regarding your interaction.

 

[Crispy]

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Consider other hobbies

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[philosophical]

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I have investigated groupthink and no platforming but they didn't appeal.

 

[sealion]

Ahern: People would 'pull down' Irish border

That's an edited version of a much longer interview. He also said he could not envisage any of the past troubles happening again.

 

[StigoftheDig]

That's an edited version of a much longer interview. He also said he could not envisage any of the past troubles happening again.

Because he can't see a border happening.

That's good.

He even came up with an answer: the UK in a customs union with the EU. That the UK Government seems to have ruled out...

 

[pocketscience]

With less than one year until Britain leaves the EU, the future shape of the UK’s relations with the bloc and its member countries remains extremely unclear. For international businesses making investment decisions that go far beyond Brexit, this situation is damaging and hard to bear.

Enders can do one. He's been divesting Airbus work away from Europe since he took over. Final Assembly Lines to Alabama and Tianjing, Composite centers in China, Engineering work to India & China, outsourcing the A320 wing production work done in Broughton to South Korea... Not a single job created in Europe just an organic reduction strategy during his tenure.
Well Tom, the situation for Airbus Employees and the multitude of sub-contractors is also hard to bear!

Ex member of Bavaria's center right CSU party. Bilderburg regular.

 

[Pickman's model]

EFTA Parliamentary Committee members discuss Brexit with counterparts in the UK | European Free Trade Association

 

[andysays]

Another day, another campaign to impose a second referendum

Brexit: 'People's vote' campaign group launched

A new campaign has been launched for a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the EU. Pro-EU MPs, celebrities and business leaders are attempting to persuade people to back another referendum before the UK leaves. Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who is backing the campaign, said that if voters rejected the deal, the UK would "simply stay" in the EU.

Shouldn't someone remind Captain Picard about the Prime Directive?