Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No I'm not.

You said his claims were demonstrably untrue.

That's his claim. Demonstrate that it is untrue.

You are asking me to show you examples of gay people's families not being placed in danger in Pakistan?

How about you try this and report back: LMGTFY

 

[StigoftheDig]

No thanks.

 

[sealion]

thats the hedge fund manager

Transparency campaigner too!

 

[sleaterkinney]

To bring context to the allegations.

Are you that naive?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Did he not very publicly blow the whistle on his former lover’s activities? That kind of thing will tend to bring in to the open that the person you are blowing the whistle on is a former lover.

You are fucking kidding? He worked for the leave campaign and has made specific allegations about it. His affair with one of the people he is accusing is irrelevant to his allegations. Said former lover will have known full well that he wasn't out. Fucking cunt's trick to out him, and fucking shitty of you to offer any kind of defence of it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Are you that naive?

You haven't answered why do you think he's told porkies about his family in Pakistan being put in danger by the revelation of his relationship?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You are fucking kidding? He worked for the leave campaign and has made specific allegations about it. His affair with one of the people he is accusing is irrelevant to his allegations. Said former lover will have known full well that he wasn't out. Fucking cunt's trick to out him, and fucking shitty of you to offer any kind of defence of it.

I'm saying by blowing the whistle in the way he has his relationship history could only ever end up in the public domain. Typical bullshit twisting from you to state that as a defense of outing someone though, so no great surprise.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And to suggest that the family could be placed in danger seems to be playing very much in to a racist trope, which is classy.

Sanni stated this himself. Is he racist against his own family then?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Sanni stated this himself. Is he racist against his own family then?

No, he's using massive hyperbole though, employing a trope that is being lapped up by people for whom the words homosexual and Pakistan (and/or Islam) are a dog-whistle.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This person who wants to overturn a democratic vote is now concerned that democracy is under threat
BeLeave revelations taint the Brexit result. There must be another vote | Gina Miller

Lets not pretend democracy is even on the table here. The powers that be are currently getting in a big ethical tangle over about how much you are allowed to spend buying votes and how you should go about it. It's like a football match where someone gets sent off for headbutting the opposition keeper eleven times instead of the maximum permissable ten times.

 

[SpookyFrank]

No, he's using massive hyperbole though, employing a trope that is being lapped up by people for whom the words homosexual and Pakistan (and/or Islam) are a dog-whistle.

Lucky there's nothing racist about denying people's understanding and experience of their own culture eh?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Lucky there's nothing racist about denying people's understanding and experience of their own culture eh?

OK Frank, off you go and bring me back some examples of gay people's family's security in Pakistan being threatened by them being openly gay in a western country. If it is such a thing I'm sure you'll have no trouble in bringing back a plethora of examples.

or maybe he was gilding the lily to get the reaction that he has got as he's fully aware of the way the liberal mindset works.

 

[andysays]

Anyway, back to the subject of Brexit...
Brexit: UK firms 'fearful' for future migration system

UK employers are "fearful" about what a future migration system will be like after Britain leaves the European Union, according to a new report.

Many employers expressed the view that migrants from the European Economic Area are more reliable and more willing to work long and anti-social hours than UK born workers, the report said.

The report found while EU migrants from the original EU countries are paid 12% more than comparable UK workers, those from newer member states are paid 27% less. But it added that the claim by employers that they would not attract more UK workers even if they raised wages, was "not credible".

 

[sleaterkinney]

You haven't answered why do you think he's told porkies about his family in Pakistan being put in danger by the revelation of his relationship?

I never argued either way on that.

I disagree with the government outing people - you don't, as long as it helps brexit.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I never argued either way on that.

No, which is why I asked you why you think he lied about the implications of his sexual orientation being public knowledge in Pakistan.


But you won't answer, same as the others, cos you'd rather keep up with the abusive lies:

I disagree with the government outing people - you don't, as long as it helps brexit.

 

[sleaterkinney]

No, which is why I asked you why you think he lied about the implications of his sexual orientation being public knowledge in Pakistan.


But you won't answer, same as the others, cos you'd rather keep up with the abusive lies:

I have no idea if he lied or not, as do you, but you pretend he has to cast him as unreliable and to deflect on what the govt did.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I have no idea if he lied or not, as do you, but you pretend he has to cast him as unreliable and to deflect on what the govt did.

I know that his family are not in danger from these revelations and that telling lies about that does mark him down as unreliable in relation to that claim.

With regards to his claims, Frank Field is calling for the full force of the law to be thrown at anyone found culpable of any offence, as it should and as such speculation here and elsewhere must be muted as if anyone is found culpable it will of course be sub judice.

 

[Yossarian]

If Mr. Sanni's fears are unfounded and his family in Pakistan is totally unlikely to face potentially violent repercussions from having an openly gay son - and the possibility of recriminations doesn't sound all that far-fetched to me, especially not if they live in a very traditional rural area - then that's a good thing, though it really doesn't sound like the May government gave much of a fuck either way.

 

[teqniq]

I know that his family are not in danger from these revelations and that telling lies about that does mark him down as unreliable in relation to that claim.

How do you know this? Because I can't from a quick google find any allegation or speculation that he is lying.

 

[StigoftheDig]

Is this one of your demonstrable things again?

 

[Winot]

It’s out of order to out someone as part of a political row full stop.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How do you know this? Because I can't from a quick google find any allegation or speculation that he is lying.

Have a longer google and find instances of gay people's family's security being threatened due to them having an openly gay family member in the west, (or in Pakistan). My best mate from school Rashad married his partner in London and went to Karachi for the family wedding. No issues for them at all, let alone for their fucking families. This is fairly common, Pakistan is not the medieval backwater nation that certain sections of the media want you to believe and that bullshit like this feeds on.

 

[sleaterkinney]

My best friend is a gay Pakistani...

 

[Yossarian]

There's enough violent homophobia in Pakistan for some gay Pakistanis to be granted refugee status in the West. There are also hundreds, probably thousands, of "honour killings" every year of people thought to have besmirched family honour in some way. It's also far from unheard of for police to persecute gay people or for extremists to target them, put all that together and it doesn't sound unreasonable for Sanni to be a little concerned.

We don't know what kind of community his family live in, they may be middle-class Karachi residents or they could be out on the sticks somewhere, either way I'm more inclined to take him at his word than dismiss him as somebody telling lies and smearing his own culture to tug at liberal heart-strings.

 

[teqniq]

Have a longer google and find instances of gay people's family's security being threatened due to them having an openly gay family member in the west, (or in Pakistan). My best mate from school Rashad married his partner in London and went to Karachi for the family wedding. No issues for them at all, let alone for their fucking families. This is fairly common, Pakistan is not the medieval backwater nation that certain sections of the media want you to believe and that bullshit like this feeds on.

Haha no, that's not how it works. You made the claim, please provide some links and not 'my best friend....etc'.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Haha no, that's not how it works. You made the claim, please provide some links and not 'my best friend....etc'.

I can’t provide links to shit that hasn’t happened you dolt

 

[teqniq]

So that's a 'no' then.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can’t provide links to shit that hasn’t happened you dolt

Let's wait and see if there's any need to provide links at all, being as everyone's agreed no shit's been reported in this instance.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So that's a 'no' then.

Jesus.

 

[Pickman's model]

Jesus.

Now that will land you in trouble in parts of Pakistan