Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[MickiQ]

Why are you sneering at him?

Because he's a politician and a public figure and politics is a big boys game, you stick your head above the parapet you accept the risk of it getting shot off.
I imagine Adonis himself knows that.
redsquirrel is entitled to be as dumb and/or sneery as he wants and you are entitled to disagree as much as you want, if you think Adomis is a great chap then say so and list your reasons.

 

[stethoscope]

Express a view then.

Preferably something more than Blair and Adonis should be listened to, or left leavers are fools or suchlike.

 

[toblerone3]

Because he's a politician and a public figure and politics is a big boys game, you stick your head above the parapet you accept the risk of it getting shot off.
I imagine Adonis himself knows that.
redsquirrel is entitled to be as dumb and/or sneery as he wants and you are entitled to disagree as much as you want, if you think Adomis is a great chap then say so and list your reasons.

Urban75 isn't politics though we are trying to have a debate here not kill each other. So tired of all the sneering.

 

[butchersapron]

Urban75 isn't politics though we are trying to have a debate here not kill each other. So tired of all the sneering.

Review your recent contributions to the thread.

 

[toblerone3]

Preferably something more than Blair and Adonis should be listened to, or left leavers are fools or suchlike.

I've expressed a view agreeing with the latter part of your sentence several times. There's little point in repeating it ad nauseum. But I'm still here listening to your views and watching events as they unfold.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Everyone knows that the correct thing to do when a LORD is speaking is to curtsey, doff your cap and agree.

So doff so doff so doff your hat I pray...

 

[butchersapron]

He an EXPERT too so...

 

[DexterTCN]

Theresa May stands by adviser who outed Brexit whistleblower

“How is it remotely acceptable that when a young whistleblower exposes compelling evidence of law-breaking by the leave campaign, implicating staff at No 10, one of those named instead of addressing the allegations issues an officially sanctioned statement outing the whistleblower as gay and thereby putting his family in Pakistan in danger?”

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Did he not very publicly blow the whistle on his former lover’s activities? That kind of thing will tend to bring in to the open that the person you are blowing the whistle on is a former lover.

And to suggest that the family could be placed in danger seems to be playing very much in to a racist trope, which is classy.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Did he not very publicly blow the whistle on his former lover’s activities? That kind of thing will tend to bring in to the open that the person you are blowing the whistle on is a former lover.

And to suggest that the family could be placed in danger seems to be playing very much in to a racist trope, which is classy.

Why do you think he outed him?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Why do you think he outed him?

To bring context to the allegations.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Why do you think he outed him?

Why do you think these people are stating that his family in Pakistan will be in danger?

 

[Pickman's model]

He an EXPERT too so...

He was a wanker as a labour minister and he remains a wanker

 

[StigoftheDig]

Why do you think these people are stating that his family in Pakistan will be in danger?

He's said that himself.

 

[Winot]

Did he not very publicly blow the whistle on his former lover’s activities? That kind of thing will tend to bring in to the open that the person you are blowing the whistle on is a former lover.

And to suggest that the family could be placed in danger seems to be playing very much in to a racist trope, which is classy.

I can’t believe you’re defending an outing, whatever your politics.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can’t believe you’re defending an outing, whatever your politics.

If an allegation of serious criminality is made by someone against an ex-lover, do you not think that the relationship becomes public knowledge at that point? If that information is not disclosed it would rather affect the nature of the allegation. The man has chosen to out himself.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He's said that himself.

And others have gleefully run with it. In spite of it being demonstrably untrue and incredibly offensive to many Pakistanis. Why do you think they have chosen to do that?

 

[andysays]

I can’t believe you’re defending an outing, whatever your politics.

Really not that simple. It looks to me like he's contributed to outing himself, especially if the only way he had this information is through his previous relationship with the person he's making the allegations against.

As for his family in Pakistan, by mentioning them, he's effectively increased any danger they might be in by reacting in this way.

 

[Yossarian]

Pakistan is extremely intolerant of homosexuality compared to Western nations - it's illegal, for a start. I don't think most Pakistanis would find it incredibly offensive for this outing to be considered a cunt's trick likely to cause difficulties for Sanni and his family.

 

[Winot]

If an allegation of serious criminality is made by someone against an ex-lover, do you not think that the relationship becomes public knowledge at that point? If that information is not disclosed it would rather affect the nature of the allegation. The man has chosen to out himself.

Right, so people shouldn't make allegations of criminality if they are gay. And if they do it's their own fault.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Right, so people shouldn't make allegations of criminality if they are gay. And if they do it's their own fault.

Yes. That's exactly what I said there. Well done for outing me as a rabid homophobe. You disingenuous prick.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Pakistan is extremely intolerant of homosexuality compared to Western nations - it's illegal, for a start. I don't think most Pakistanis would find it incredibly offensive for this outing to be considered a cunt's trick likely to cause difficulties for Sanni and his family.

It is illegal, but the law is not enforced, same as many countries with a strong religious element to the government. To suggest that a gay man's family needs to take special security measures is a blatant lie though. FFS under daesh who's scumbag followers executed gay men by throwing them from buildings the man's family weren't 'blamed' for his 'lifestyle'.

 

[Winot]

Yes. That's exactly what I said there. Well done for outing me as a rabid homophobe. You disingenuous prick.

Yes, that's exactly what I said there...

I'm sure you're *not* a homophobe, which is why I'm sure you've made the wrong call here fwiw.

 

[Yossarian]

The claims about Sanni's family possibly being in danger are coming from Sanni himself through his lawyer - and they're being reported in the Pakistani press with no sign that they're seen as some kind of slur on the country.

“My client is now having to come out to his mother and family tonight, and members of his family in Pakistan are being forced to take urgent protective measures to ensure their safety,'” it adds.

Downing Street outs British-Pakistani whistleblower as gay to sabotage Brexit claims - The Express Tribune

 

[StigoftheDig]

So that's untrue and Banhoffe Strasse can demonstrate that.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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So that's untrue and Banhoffe Strasse can demonstrate that.

Oh right, you're resorting to disingenuous bullshit now. Bravo. He could say the moon is made of your fetid nob-cheese, don't make it so.

Find me some instances of a Pakistani man in the west having his family in danger as a result of his being openly gay. I dare you.

 

[StigoftheDig]

No I'm not.

You said his claims were demonstrably untrue.

That's his claim. Demonstrate that it is untrue.

 

[sealion]

This person who wants to overturn a democratic vote is now concerned that democracy is under threat
BeLeave revelations taint the Brexit result. There must be another vote | Gina Miller

 

[Pickman's model]

This person who wants to overturn a democratic vote is now concerned that democracy is under threat
BeLeave revelations taint the Brexit result. There must be another vote | Gina Miller

tbh we're fucked if we leave. we're fucked if we stay. we're fucked if there's another vote. we're fucked if there isn't. being as about half the country wants to bugger off and about half the country wants to stay and we've the most incompetent government in living memory (and that's up against some stiff opposition) there's no obvious way to make everyone or even most people happy.

theresa may and her cabinet going over beachy head on scooters like in quadrophenia might bring a smile to a lot of people's faces tho.

 

[DotCommunist]

This person who wants to overturn a democratic vote is now concerned that democracy is under threat
BeLeave revelations taint the Brexit result. There must be another vote | Gina Miller

thats the hedge fund manager who the guardian refer to more humbly as 'activist' in most covergage. She's part of this coterie of circle-jerk astroturf groups of bourgoise wankers getting free boosting regularly from the guardian.
the youth wing of the campaign are the gas the elderly sorts