HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
You’ve not seen the flags? The marches? My one time hero Gruff Rhys releasing “I love EU”?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Fair point
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I've only seen that enthusiasm since the referendum and only on social media. (Again only personal experience and I should have written in my first post that I didn't know before the referendum anyone who would have said that - and I knew someone who worked for the EU!)
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I'll go further and say that the reason I thought that we would never have a referendum was because they (the powers that be, I guess) must know that we'd vote to leave.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Why don't you read some of the many threads where there has been a mountain of evidence of such nonsense has been posted - like the march organised by Geldof fo example.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Still so difficult to decide which flotilla wanker was the biggest wanker
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
because I don't need to read a thread to know what my personal experience was.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Enrich yer personal experience then man the dig
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I'm flotillad out.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
As a big fan of Gruff and the furries I'm glad I missed that.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I was a teenager when the anti-capitalist song “Download” was included in The Big Issue on it’s free CD, complete with an interview with them. What happened man?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
'everyone knows remain would win' this is the garbage currently being thrown around by brexiters who are starting to realise what's happening
and if there was any element of trust on these boards, civility or respect, we could have a proper conversation on these matters...but you and your friends make it abundantly clear that that's not an option...so in that spirit...in your spirit...
/nothing
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Cover-mounted CDs just fell out of fashion, for a variety of reasons.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
If your personal experience is contradicted by the mountains of evidence provided by people maybe it isn't very informative.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
This is terrible trolling or you really did sustain a bang to head
Cameron called the ref because he was supremely confident (in that smug way of his) that it would put to bed the battle within the Tories (and electorally) for at least a generation. He gambled with it and lost. Even most ardent remainers never ever saw the vote going to leave before or during ref. And thats why there was such shock the morning after the ref, Cameron resigning, etc. I mean, have you even been following any of this stuff properly?!butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Disgusting utterly dishonest quote invention and attribution there. Fits in with your history of posts that are seemingly coming from another world though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You couldn't have a proper conversation over even the most trivial matter as you'd be as honest there as you are in this post - not at all.
This is terrible trolling or you really did sustain a bang to head
I agree with this. I was very late to realise
how close the vote was going to be, and I thought until the end that Remain would scrape through, just. But I was aware for a lot longer that Cameron/Osborne in particular were running an utterly crap campaign and were being thoroughly complacent with it.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I think Cameron's first priority in calling the referendum was to win the 2015 general election by stealing UKIP's USP. Who knows how far beyond that he really thought? (Has he released an autobiography yet? I suppose he'll spill his beans at some point.)
I'm sure he thought his side would win, but even in 2015 polls were very close - (YouGov | EU referendum polling: is the 'Leave' number soft?) - and he and other Remain people must have known this. Perhaps he thought he'd get more changes in his vaunted renegotiation.
If there wasn't substantial support for leaving the EU - and my personal experience aside, you'd have to live under a rock to be unaware of that - then there wouldn't be any electoral advantage in him calling a referendum.
I don't doubt he and his team were smug, overconfident tossers and that this played into a poor campaign, but my personal experience, despite being uninformative, turned out to be right.
I'm sure he thought his side would win, but even in 2015 polls were very close - (YouGov | EU referendum polling: is the 'Leave' number soft?) - and he and other Remain people must have known this. Perhaps he thought he'd get more changes in his vaunted renegotiation.
If there wasn't substantial support for leaving the EU - and my personal experience aside, you'd have to live under a rock to be unaware of that - then there wouldn't be any electoral advantage in him calling a referendum.
I don't doubt he and his team were smug, overconfident tossers and that this played into a poor campaign, but my personal experience, despite being uninformative, turned out to be right.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You've missed out the important point about the concessions he managed to wring out of the eu which in their paucity doubtless did more to motivate the leave vote than encourage the remainers. A referendum not really a usp as it was not u.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I thought UKIP were previously the only party promising a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU?
I think you're definitely right about the concessions. From what I've seen - again, from limited personal and online experience, but I think there's polling to back it up - what lots of UKIP Leavers (leaving Lexiters aside) want is free trade but no free movement, and I don't think you're ever going to get that.
I think you're definitely right about the concessions. From what I've seen - again, from limited personal and online experience, but I think there's polling to back it up - what lots of UKIP Leavers (leaving Lexiters aside) want is free trade but no free movement, and I don't think you're ever going to get that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Labour repeatedly promised one - making it a manifesto commitment in 2005. Then dropping it, then promising it again in 2007.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
Exciting news for our Global Britain future though!
I saw some compilation of Bolton going around the other day as he got the job - war, war, war basically - and he mentioned Brexit briefly: "I think you'll find that once Britain is freed from the entaglements of...." sort of thing.
Off we go to Iran then!
I saw some compilation of Bolton going around the other day as he got the job - war, war, war basically - and he mentioned Brexit briefly: "I think you'll find that once Britain is freed from the entaglements of...." sort of thing.
Off we go to Iran then!
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
Ah, sorry, I didn't recall that.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I'm starting to suspect your natural habitat is under a bridge rather than under a rock, TBH
Combustible
Well-Known Member
And the Lib Dems
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they genuinely believe in nothing.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
In 2015 it was, according to all experts, talking heads and so forth, pretty much scientifically impossible for Cameron to get a working majority in the GE. He put the referendum in his manifesto to appease a large group of Tory backbenchers worried about UKIP, safe in the knowledge that either Ed Millliband would be PM or else the Tories would be in a coalition and the manifesto would be out of the window. Then, once the impossible happened, he found that he had trapped himself.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I'm not trolling and I honestly don't know how you would think I am. Never mind though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I would but Britain's shittest negotiating team have been given the job instead
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