Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teqniq]

cheapass troll

 

[Pickman's model]

Sigh.
You denied you were making threats at a time that I felt you were making threats. Remember?
When you say lying about 'other people' you really mean you don't you?

right. so despite my posts and despite other people's posts you thought you were being threatened. i suggested you bring it to the attention of the mods:

yeh. if you think there's been a threat of violence you should bring it to the attention of the board moderators, who i am sure will treat any report you care to make with the attention it deserves.

and i'd hardly do that if i'd been saying 'i'm on the next 21 to lewisham to wander the streets until by chance i happen upon you or someone who looks as i suspect you might'.

 

[philosophical]

right. so despite my posts and despite other people's posts you thought you were being threatened. i suggested you bring it to the attention of the mods:
and i'd hardly do that if i'd been saying 'i'm on the next 21 to lewisham to wander the streets until by chance i happen upon you or someone who looks as i suspect you might'.

So not lying then, glad we've cleared that up.

 

[Pickman's model]

So not lying then, glad we've cleared that up.

yeh you've not been not lying.

nigel farage would have loved you, chuck, you'd have made his job so much easier in may and june of '16. there'd have been a greater plurality of leave with you on the remain battle bus.

 

[The39thStep]

Dutch local elections:Wilders PVV win 74 seats
Anti-Islam PVV wins city council seats in 30 municipalities

 

[pocketscience]

It looks very much like we are heading for BINO - (brexit in name only) - which is completely pointless (as it offers not one single advantage over the present arrangement) , but will still result in considerable disruption and costs. This is because it is the only politically possible outcome.

Challenging the status quo was always going to bring considerable disruption... or to view it another way, considerable disruption was always going to be the ideal time to challenge the status quo.=

and the biggest cost of Brexit so far is being paid by the toffs with their reputation. don't you see that as an advantage?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Challenging the status quo was always going to bring considerable disruption... or to view it another way, considerable disruption was always going to be the ideal time to challenge the status quo.=

and the biggest cost of Brexit so far is being paid by the toffs with their reputation. Or don't you see that as an advantage?

With BINO there will still be considerable financial and time costs to the state. For zero benefit. How that will play out in its impact on the rest of us is too diffuse to tie down - but it will probably be resources - financial and personal - being redirected from more socially useful stuff like education and health, environmental management, health and safety, or HMRC chasing tax evaders. Boris Johnson being thought of as even more of a twat than before is really small potatoes.
Overall, the state will have less money than it would have done - and that shortfall will be made up the usual way - by squeezing the public sector and benefit bills.

 

[pocketscience]

With BINO there will still be considerable financial and time costs to the state. For zero benefit. How that will play out in its impact on the rest of us is too diffuse to tie down - but it will probably be resources - financial and personal - being redirected from more socially useful stuff like education and health, environmental management, health and safety,

That depends on the policies of who ever governs the country, and how they govern it after brexit. You and nobody knows that today. It's not really a thing that just because the tories were in charge when brexit happened, that they get to keep it forever - contrary to the trope repeated on here of the "tory brexit".

or HMRC chasing tax evaders.

that's part of the status quo that needs challenging. The toffs and corporations taking the piss. Some fair legislation put in place would be a start to stop the piss taking going on...

Boris Johnson being thought of as even more of a twat than before is really small potatoes.

to reduce it to just johnsons twatishness isn't doing it justice. We had Cameron and Gideon previously. JRM making himself look a cunt every day of the week. That fact he's even in contention to take the reigns is laughable. The eton boys are scraping the barrel with every iteration . Showing themselves up in plain sight for what they are: not fit for purpose and a waste of 40k a year for a child's education.

Overall, the state will have less money than it would have done - and that shortfall will be made up the usual way - by squeezing the public sector and benefit bills.

Again, that battle hasn't been fought. It depends on the policies of who ever governs the country, and how they govern it after brexit.

 

[DexterTCN]

...or HMRC chasing tax evaders...

Over 90,000 people in 05, around 30,000 now. That's for every business, investment, tc claimant, child benefit getter, pension, dividend, company car allowance, director, actor, smuggler, worker, employer, taxi driver...everything.

Chasing tax evaders these days includes clawing back tax credits from the poorest in society.

More cuts to come.

The rich don't suffer. HMRC don't get near them.

 

[pocketscience]

Over 90,000 people in 05, around 30,000 now. That's for every business, investment, tc claimant, child benefit getter, pension, dividend, company car allowance, director, actor, smuggler, worker, employer, taxi driver...everything.

Chasing tax evaders these days includes clawing back tax credits from the poorest in society.

More cuts to come.

The rich don't suffer. HMRC don't get near them.

HMRC.. the clue's in the name... intentionally armed with blunt pencils to fight brendas mates taking the piss from Caribbean islands.

 

[DexterTCN]

HMRC.. the clue's in the name... intentionally armed with blunt pencils to fight brendas mates taking the piss from Caribbean islands.

As to offshore stuff...leaving lets the UK keep that, there are EU laws coming into force around Jan 19 (shocked face and loud music) to start smothering that shit. The upcoming change in tax laws was a notable thing in brexit.

 

[pocketscience]

As to offshore stuff...leaving lets the UK keep that, there are EU laws coming into force around Jan 19 (shocked face and loud music) to start smothering that shit. The upcoming change in tax laws was a notable thing in brexit.

Arise, Sir Juncker, Knight of Anti Tax Avoidance

 

[DotCommunist]

Arise, Sir Juncker, Knight of Anti Tax Avoidance

Praiser of nakedly rigged elections.

 

[DexterTCN]

Arise, Sir Juncker, Knight of Anti Tax Avoidance

It was public knowledge at the time...any semi-aware brexiter knew they were voting for tax avoidance.

 

[pocketscience]

It was public knowledge at the time...any semi-aware brexiter knew they were voting for tax avoidance.

and not to forget the reintroduction of proxy bomb use on the streets of Derry... as stated on the ballot

 

[Ax^]

*wanders in*

anyways been watching the news today on the blue passport thingy..


does that give a good indication of the exit bring British manufacturing jobs back into the united kingdom


its cheaper to outsource it out of the country

 

[Santino]

Remember when the EU stopped the Tories and Lib Dems gutting the NHS? Happier times.

 

[Ax^]

Well at least they can now justify opening it up to US Pharma and get praise for new global trade deals

everyones a winner baby...

 

[Smangus]

Over 90,000 people in 05, around 30,000 now. That's for every business, investment, tc claimant, child benefit getter, pension, dividend, company car allowance, director, actor, smuggler, worker, employer, taxi driver...everything.

Its about 56,000 now, not as low as 30,000 but they have to make further 5% cuts for the next 3 (?) years. Still 40% ish lower than 10 years ago though.

 

[DexterTCN]

Remember when the EU stopped the Tories and Lib Dems gutting the NHS? Happier times.

EU didn't vote them in. EU didn't give the tories a majority the next time. EU doesn't give the UK a tory government most of the time. UK does that.

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[DotCommunist]

Owen Smith. Did anyone wonder where he'd gone? Last we heard he was just saying some thick shit about northern ireland (he's not alone in that is he?), massaging his 20 foot cock and so on. But now he is back as the saviour of brexit. The guardian has rolled him out like a political titan, a big beast has spoken. Roared. Rather than Owen fucking Smith whose leadership challenge was a poignantly sad affair in retrospect. The ice creams that never were eaten.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

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Well done. You seem to be suggesting this is why the referendum was called-at least I think that’s why you are mentioning timing. Everyone knows it was called because the Tories thought they (REMAIN) would win.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

*wanders in*

anyways been watching the news today on the blue passport thingy..


does that give a good indication of the exit bring British manufacturing jobs back into the united kingdom


its cheaper to outsource it out of the country

Not sure whether being smug about either cheap labour (ie people being paid shit wages) or people struggling to get work is a good look for progressives tbh.

 

[DotCommunist]

the Tories thought they (REMAIN) would win.

everyone thought remain would win. I thought they would, I woke up the next day and the man on the news looked like he'd just had to pass a square turd with sharpened edges.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

*wanders in*
*fucks up moment by nonsensical wording of 2nd paragraph*
*not like it wasn’t mentioned already loads of times anyway*

 

[Ax^]

Not sure whether being smug about either cheap labour (ie people being paid shit wages) or people struggling to get work is a good look for progressives tbh.

But that's what will be required to keep the country competitive post exit

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure whether being smug about either cheap labour (ie people being paid shit wages) or people struggling to get work is a good look for progressives tbh.

depends who's struggling to get work. if it's former tory mps then i'm all for a bit of smugness.

 

[StigoftheDig]

It's obviously a function of who I am, where I live, the company I keep and so on, but I always thought Leave would win.

Reflexive blame-the-EU stuff is has been so pervasive as to be unremarkable since I was a kid. The vast majority (god knows what the figures are by circulation) of the British press are rabidly anti-EU and have been for decades. I know plenty of people who voted Remain - and loads who I think probably did - but I don't think I know a single person who would say, "I really passionately love the EU!" I've always known lots of people who were single-issue fucking batshit obsessed by getting out of (and hopefully destroying) the EU. Politicians as a whole, as a class, are extremely unpopular - vote against politicians was always going to be a winner.

 

[stethoscope]

I've seen loads of people giving it the 'I love the EU', and its been a prominent narrative in the Guardian, the New European, etc. The marches last year were very much in this vein - all or nothing - you're either for the EU or you're a thicko/racist/right-winger.

(when I'm sure many are conflating European with the EU as a political bloc)