Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[xenon]

Subsequently reiterated?
Not in the 'subsequent' posts 6379 or 6383.
Either way retired from Trade Union activity or work in general the implication isn't easy to misunderstand.
I really don't feel worried about his or her personal digs by the way, or the implied dig about old people generally, I simply point out the hypocrisy to any of those oh so pure souls here who want to lecture about proper behaviour.
He or she said it, they ought to stand by it.

The general strategy here is not difficult to follow, dig out a poster, they defend themselves and therefore are accused of attention seeking and it all being 'look at me' or being a troll. It is bollocks. A poster earlier put me on ignore, wouldn't that be a better policy, a personal bit of what people these days call 'no platforming'?

No. this ^ is bollocks. kabbes correctly read the meaning in my posts. There was no dig about old people. I've not mentioned age. There was a dig, an explicit one, about you being a trade union activist whilst displaying such ignorant, wilfully blind views regarding the reasons many voted brexit and denouncing them on mass with a wave of your hand. Many of your union members may have voted out. Various unions have opposed the EU and were pro brexit. But Philosophical has spoken, they're all racists and his hands are clean.

What a joke.

 

[philosophical]

No. this ^ is bollocks. kabbes correctly read the meaning in my posts. There was no dig about old people. I've not mentioned age. There was a dig, an explicit one, about you being a trade union activist whilst displaying such ignorant, wilfully blind views regarding the reasons many voted brexit and denouncing them on mass with a wave of your hand. Many of your union members may have voted out. Various unions have opposed the EU and were pro brexit. But Philosophical has spoken, they're all racists and his hands are clean.

What a joke.

Read my post 6330.

As you said yourself, explicit dig about me, and about me being a retired person.
To say you're glad I'm retired was to mean what? Because I am no longer active in the workplace I can do no more damage?
If I had simply said I work, or am a trade union activist, but had not mentioned anything about my age where would you have gone then with your faux outrage?
Own it, your dig, which you are certainly at liberty to give out at will, was wrapped up in stereotyping and prejudice to do with age.
So what?
I don't really care that much beyond I think you (and some others) who lecture me about behaviour and manners exhibit hypocrisy.

 

[butchersapron]

Jesus fucking christ

 

[sealion]

Own it, your dig,

was wrapped up in stereotyping

Is Brexit actually going to happen?

 

[xenon]

Read my post 6330.

As you said yourself, explicit dig about me, and about me being a retired person.
To say you're glad I'm retired was to mean what? Because I am no longer active in the workplace I can do no more damage?
If I had simply said I work, or am a trade union activist, but had not mentioned anything about my age where would you have gone then with your faux outrage?
Own it, your dig, which you are certainly at liberty to give out at will, was wrapped up in stereotyping and prejudice to do with age.
So what?
I don't really care that much beyond I think you (and some others) who lecture me about behaviour and manners exhibit hypocrisy.

For the last time because this is quite boring now. I had a dig at you based on you being a union rep whilst holding the views you do. Since you've retired, presumably are no longer a union rep. Therefore, something to be glad about as your uninformed, politically junk views regarding brexit voters can't come into play in that role. I don't care how old you are. I've said nothing perjorative about retired people, union reps in general or what ever else you're going to imagine next.

 

[Pickman's model]

This post a magnet for likes from sneery middle class types

that was a pity like from Badgers

 

[Pickman's model]

For the last time because this is quite boring now. I had a dig at you based on you being a union rep whilst holding the views you do. Since you've retired, presumably are no longer a union rep. Therefore, something to be glad about as your uninformed, politically junk views regarding brexit voters can't come into play in that role. I don't care how old you are. I've said nothing perjorative about retired people, union reps in general or what ever else you're going to imagine next.

there's still time for you to say something pejorative yet

 

[philosophical]

For the last time because this is quite boring now. I had a dig at you based on you being a union rep whilst holding the views you do. Since you've retired, presumably are no longer a union rep. Therefore, something to be glad about as your uninformed, politically junk views regarding brexit voters can't come into play in that role. I don't care how old you are. I've said nothing perjorative about retired people, union reps in general or what ever else you're going to imagine next.

I agree that it is boring now.
It is a pity you couldn't have said you think my views are uninformed and politically junk regarding brexit, and left it at that.

 

[butchersapron]

This piece linked to by hot air baboon on another thread needs to be read, as does the second piece from last year.

A very EU coup: Martin Selmayr’s astonishing power grab - How a bureaucrat seized power in nine minutes

Revealed: How Jean-Claude Juncker's 'monster' is plotting to punish Britain for Brexit

Or for those who'll just go oh the spectator or telegraph and ignore what's happening, there's these:

Brussels backlash to Martin Selmayr’s appointment -Rage against the European Commission’s communications machine.

How Martin Selmayr became EU’s top (un)civil servant

The move was classic Martin Selmayr — deeply shrouded in secrecy, designed to bulldoze any and all opposition, and catching even some of the most senior EU officials by complete surprise. Only this time, the Machiavellian machinations of President Jean-Claude Juncker’s powerful chief of staff were decidedly personal: springing a vote on European commissioners to install him as secretary-general, the Commission’s top civil service job.

Selmayr has won fame and disdain and spurred envy and fury by deploying ruthless autocracy in the name of European democracy. His sudden election ensures the German lawyer and avowed European federalist will retain a perch at the apex of power in Brussels beyond the end of Juncker’s mandate in 2019 — for as long as he desires, or until a new set of commissioners dares to try to remove him.

 

[mojo pixy]

*Skips pages*

I agree that it is boring now.
It is a pity you couldn't have said you think my views are uninformed and politically junk regarding brexit, and left it at that.

That simple hmm? OK then.

Am I right is assuming that everybody who voted brexit is an ignorant racist self serving nationalist brainwashed tosser?

No. Next.

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree that it is boring now.
It is a pity you couldn't have said you think my views are uninformed and politically junk regarding brexit, and left it at that.

that's B.I.G of you

sealion

 

[philosophical]

*Skips pages*



That simple hmm? OK then.



No. Next.

Read post 5301.
Read post 6330.
That is a simple thing to do.

 

[Winot]

Back to the original question, this article reckons the answer is ‘at the last minute’:

No Brexit Deal Until Next Year, U.K. Officials Say Privately

 

[teuchter]

At least that is some recognition that the EU isn't quite the promised land that we are leaving. One of the most disappointing things about the morass a lot of Remainers have now deteriorated into is the complete absence of any suggestion that the EU could/should be reformed.

I don't think there's a complete absence at all. In my observation of remainers there is a ubiquitous suggestion that the EU could/should be reformed.

 

[The39thStep]

I don't think there's a complete absence at all. In my observation of remainers there is a ubiquitous suggestion that the EU could/should be reformed.

Can you give me some recent examples, I must be following the wrong Remainers

 

[Teaboy]

I think there is little chance of reform of the EU. Cameron tried to change a bit and got laughed at. The UK voted out but they seem more convinced of their righteousness then ever. Across Europe people are turning to the far right. They all celebrated that creep Macron winning in France but the fact the far right were in with a shout and are now the de-facto opposition should have shit them up properly, but no. They lumber on relentlessly utterly convinced they are doing everything right and if anything bad happens its the fault of someone else.

I do not believe the EU in its current guise can be reformed in any meaningful way

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I don't think there's a complete absence at all. In my observation of remainers there is a ubiquitous suggestion that the EU could/should be reformed.

I think there's this lot:

Who think the EU = Europe basically and is perfect.

And then there are more thoughtful Guardianista types who think the EU could/should be reformed.

Both completely deluded in my view. But Remainers are not a monolith any more than Leave voters are.

 

[paolo]

What does the EU need to reform?

That’s a starting point.

What is it we’re not getting, that we could get outside of it?

If there’s clarity on that, then we can further the debate. Can the EU be bent to the objectives, or not?

But what are they?

 

[Raheem]

I think there is little chance of reform of the EU. Cameron tried to change a bit and got laughed at.

He didn't really try to "reform" anything, though. He just tried to get more special treatment for the UK, which is not really the same.

The EU most definitely will undertake reforms in the near future (although the undertaking itself might take a while), because everybody understands that there are multiple potential disasters ahead otherwise. Whether they're the reforms you have in mind (assuming you are thinking of anything specific) is another matter.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think there's this lot:

Who think the EU = Europe basically and is perfect.

And then there are more thoughtful Guardianista types who think the EU could/should be reformed.

Both completely deluded in my view. But Remainers are not a monolith any more than Leave voters are.

They just throw in "oh well of course it has its faults" every now and then just to not sound like total dicks

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

/sweeping generalisation mode

 

[butchersapron]

What does the EU need to reform?

That’s a starting point.

What is it we’re not getting, that we could get outside of it?

If there’s clarity on that, then we can further the debate. Can the EU be bent to the objectives, or not?

But what are they?

Could you - as a remainer - kick us off? And maybe with not such an odd question. Maybe more of an internationalist approach or something?

 

[teuchter]

I thought you lot would like this.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Yaaaaaawn

 

[Winot]

The way that the UK has handled Brexit is so weak and incompetent that it has taken the pressure off the EU to reform.

 

[sealion]

The way that the UK has handled Brexit is so weak and incompetent that it has taken the pressure off the EU to reform.

Shouldn't that be down to the remaining members ?

 

[butchersapron]

The way that the UK has handled Brexit is so weak and incompetent that it has taken the pressure off the EU to reform.

It is your responsibility to outline then push and pressure for the reforms you would like to see isn't it? What are they and how far have you got with with them?

 

[DexterTCN]

Shouldn't that be down to the remaining members ?

No. Firstly they've agreed to fuck the tories up. Next they'll probably be looking for a replacement.

Twitter is a brilliant place for EU discussion. Of course if you just go in to call people cunts you won't get far. It's not like urban. Look around and you'll find the proper hashtags.

 

[butchersapron]

No. Firstly they've agreed to fuck the tories up. Next they'll probably be looking for a replacement.

Twitter is a brilliant place for EU discussion. Of course if you just go in to call people cunts you won't get far. It's not like urban. Look around and you'll find the proper hashtags.

What the fuck happened to you?

 

[sealion]

Firstly they've agreed to fuck the tories up. Next they'll probably be looking for a replacement.

Who ?

Twitter is a brilliant place for EU discussion. Of course if you just go in to call people cunts you won't get far. It's not like urban. Look around and you'll find the proper hashtags.

I'll have to take your word for that.