Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[xenon]

I wasn't aware that Turkey was in the EU.

And? Who’s dealing with Turkey? You can join our club maybe if you hold these people. Oh have some cash too.

 

[NoXion]

Because they were worried the freedom of information act would winkle it out of them? I have my doubts about that regarding civil servants.
Or was it because there was nothing for the Politicians to tell the civil servants to actually write down (possible) or nothing good to write down (probable)?
If we saw what they wrote down maybe it would be idle doodling anyway. I don't see not writing things down as messing up, but more a sort of paralysis.

Paralysis in this case is the same thing. They messed up by not producing a plan before the referendum result. Polling was predicting a Remain win, but it's hardly as if a Leave result was completely out of the question. You're clutching at straws and speculating based on fuck-all.

 

[DexterTCN]

I'm not assuming, they didn't even write shit down.

Well...that's nonsense.

But, speaking to the BBC, Lord O'Donnell (top, and above) said: "Every single civil servant will be thinking ‘what if, what are the different possibilities, different scenarios’ and I will be absolutely sure that they will be hoovering up all the work that is done by the outside world and the foreign office.

That is just garbage. Lord O'Donnell being reported in the telegraph as reported by the bbc saying that every civil servant is working on brexit? Just lies, it's fantasy.

We're in 2018, two years after that article. Does it look like every civil servant has been working on everything? Anything?

The civil service have been doing their jobs, like normal.

 

[NoXion]

Well...that's nonsense.



That is just garbage. Lord O'Donnell being reported in the telegraph as reported by the bbc saying that every civil servant is working on brexit? Just lies, it's fantasy.

We're in 2018, two years after that article. Does it look like every civil servant has been working on everything? Anything?

The civil service have been doing their jobs, like normal.

That's exactly my point you flailing imbecile. They clearly haven't been working on the possibility of Leave winning the Brexit vote, even though they should have.

 

[sealion]

And I never expect an answer from you in this thread. A quick scan of your posts confirms that you're just a troll with nothing to contribute.

What have you contributed apart from snide drunken shit ?

 

[philosophical]

Paralysis in this case is the same thing. They messed up by not producing a plan before the referendum result. Polling was predicting a Remain win, but it's hardly as if a Leave result was completely out of the question. You're clutching at straws and speculating based on fuck-all.

I am not defending the Politicians. I am looking at where the UK has landed, and it is without a plan from either the politicians, the civil servants of the brexiters. Brexiters are already blaming the EU for messing up and not having a plan, to blame the civil servants too is another layer. I suspect it is because it is dawning on brexiters that this disaster does not have a solution.
Remainers can't intervene as they will be accused of sabotaging brexit, so where does that leave us, time is running out?

 

[philosophical]

Fuck this. You’re incapable of honest debate @Philosophicall. Reading or comprehension about anything re hunan motives.. Waste of bits.

Because I am not going down the path you want me to go and justifying aspects of EU policy that you select?
How many times does it need to be said? Brexit won. The merits or otherwise of the EU don't matter any more, and I don't have to either condemn or justify EU policy.

 

[sealion]

It's looking more and more like a 'no deal' Brexit. Apparently the Government is running scared of a vote on a Customs Union because they might lose to the combined forces of Anna Soubry et al. and Labour.

Does anyone know if Labour can force a vote on this issue? It's looking like a good time to bring the Government down.

This was mentioned on radio 4 yesterday. Saying the eu would be happy for a no deal, the fall of the government and labour in power in the hope that brexit would be scrapped.

 

[philosophical]

Would a no deal brexit lead to a government collapse under the terms of the parliament act?
My understanding is that there could be a no deal scenario, but this government could still continue until 2022.

 

[Winot]

Would a no deal brexit lead to a government collapse under the terms of the parliament act?
My understanding is that there could be a no deal scenario, but this government could still continue until 2022.

I think you’re right.

 

[xenon]

Because I am not going down the path you want me to go and justifying aspects of EU policy that you select?
How many times does it need to be said? Brexit won. The merits or otherwise of the EU don't matter any more, and I don't have to either condemn or justify EU policy.

Logical consistency by your own terms, you do. If remain won, according to your framing, you should answer for the EU imposed Greek situation .

Philosophy 101

 

[Winot]

Paralysis in this case is the same thing. They messed up by not producing a plan before the referendum result. Polling was predicting a Remain win, but it's hardly as if a Leave result was completely out of the question. You're clutching at straws and speculating based on fuck-all.

Civil servants were banned by Cameron from working up any Leave plans in case it looked defensive.

 

[philosophical]

Logical consistency by your own terms, you do. If remain won, according to your framing, you should answer for the EU imposed Greek situation .

Philosophy 101

I think you are wrong about the logic simply because remain didn't win. According to my framing it is over to the brexiters now.

 

[Teaboy]

Is this Silas again?

 

[DexterTCN]

What have you contributed apart from snide drunken shit ?

Graphs, quotes from those involved in the negotiations, crime statistics, demographic breakdowns of voters, a direct quote from Tusk saying nothing happens until Ireland is sorted out, questions on trade, answers on productivity, currency valuation...stuff like that.

You?

 

[sealion]

Graphs, quotes from those involved in the negotiations, crime statistics, demographic breakdowns of voters, a direct quote from Tusk saying nothing happens until Ireland is sorted out, questions on trade, answers on productivity, currency valuation...stuff like that.

You?

Trolling apparantly

 

[xenon]

I think you are wrong about the logic simply because remain didn't win. According to my framing it is over to the brexiters now.

Sad.

 

[xenon]

Union activist, with nothing to say apart from brexitrs are racist. Glad you’re retired TBH.

 

[xenon]

Rissable really. Arrogantly ignorantly ploughing on. Sad.

 

[DexterTCN]

Trolling apparantly

I know, I posted the link.

 

[philosophical]

Union activist, with nothing to say apart from brexitrs are racist. Glad you’re retired TBH.

Hang on a little longer and you can be glad I'm dead.

 

[The39thStep]

This was mentioned on radio 4 yesterday. Saying the eu would be happy for a no deal, the fall of the government and labour in power in the hope that brexit would be scrapped.

Interesting that the EU are so desperate for the UK to stay. Of course a Labour victory is impossible on a scrap Brexit ticket.

 

[sealion]

Interesting that the EU are so desperate for the UK to stay.

The defecit in the eu budget would take a big hit if we did leave. I guess that would mean them having to lean on the remaining members to plug that gap. I can't see that going down well with there members.

 

[xenon]

Hang on a little longer and you can be glad I'm dead.

Don’t be daft. U75 isn’t exactly a hotbed of racists. Maybe read a bit more and accuse a bit less.

 

[sealion]

Of course a Labour victory is impossible on a scrap Brexit ticket.

Do you think that's what JC wants ?

 

[philosophical]

Don’t be daft. U75 isn’t exactly a hotbed of racists. Maybe read a bit more and accuse a bit less.

On accusation, maybe you should follow your own advice.
You are saying you are glad I'm retired, which indicates that you see retirement means that a person no longer contributes to society, is parked out of the way as it were. What exactly do you mean by that? Older people ought to be stored in structured kralls until they are no longer a drain on your society?
I have no idea about your work, or if you are in work or not, or your gender or anything. However if I did I would not use your personal circumstances to put you down. I regret disclosing things about myself on this thread, including having been active in my trade union, because what I have disclosed has been thrown back at me as you have done above.
Next time you feel inclined to lecture me about correct behaviour, tape it and play it to yourself occasionally.

 

[Raheem]

Do you think that's what JC wants ?

Of course it isn't. Corbyn would want the election to be about his platform, not about Brexit. OTOH, Brexit isn't going to be very helpful to him in delivering his platform, in that he needs reliable tax revenues and could do without an increase in the cost of government borrowing. So, what he ideally wants is for Brexit to sink before he ends up obliged to sail it.

 

[xenon]

On accusation, maybe you should follow your own advice.
You are saying you are glad I'm retired, which indicates that you see retirement means that a person no longer contributes to society, is parked out of the way as it were. What exactly do you mean by that? Older people ought to be stored in structured kralls until they are no longer a drain on your society?
I have no idea about your work, or if you are in work or not, or your gender or anything. However if I did I would not use your personal circumstances to put you down. I regret disclosing things about myself on this thread, including having been active in my trade union, because what I have disclosed has been thrown back at me as you have done above.
Next time you feel inclined to lecture me about correct behaviour, tape it and play it to yourself occasionally.

You offered your Circumstances as a background or a buttress to your political position. How dare us comment on it. Jesus fucking Christ. Of course I don’t think retired people should be locked away or whatever bat shit you’ve imagined. Let’s not forget, you rocked up Calling everyone who voted Brexit racist. You retracted the question mark later, explicitly saying you think they are racist, remember. And yet you are the sensitive hurt one.

Yes I do work, I didn’t vote Brexit, I spoiled my ballot, other shit. Shoot away.

 

[philosophical]

You offered your Circumstances as a background or a buttress to your political position. How dare us comment on it. Jesus fucking Christ. Of course I don’t think retired people should be locked away or whatever bat shit you’ve imagined. Let’s not forget, you rocked up Calling everyone who voted Brexit racist. You retracted the question mark later, explicitly saying you think they are racist, remember. And yet you are the sensitive hurt one.

Yes I do work, I didn’t vote Brexit, I spoiled my ballot, other shit. Shoot away.

I unwisely responded to several questions about my personal circumstances, including revealing I am retired. Those unwise words have not attracted what you quaintly call 'comment', but strff such as you saying you're glad I am retired. Meaning what? That counts as comment does it?
I have never said I am hurt, but aware of what is happening around me, especially hypocrisy.

 

[xenon]

I unwisely responded to several questions about my personal circumstances, including revealing I am retired. Those unwise words have not attracted what you quaintly call 'comment', but strff such as you saying you're glad I am retired. Meaning what? That counts as comment does it?
I have never said I am hurt, but aware of what is happening around me, especially hypocrisy.

I meant glad you’re retired, as a union rep. Some of your members may have voted Brexit but you would dismiss them as racist. No analysis, no questioning, just knee-jerk tabloid rubbish. I don’t know what union you were, are in. It doesn’t matter. But look at what some unions are saying about the EU.