Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[butchersapron]

The EU would have stopped it?

Is this really happening?

 

[philosophical]

You are a snidey piece yourself. Expect it back.

Oh yeah? Where have I initiated snide personal remarks to another poster?
However I note that you acknowledge that butchersapron's remarks are snide ones.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh yeah? Where have I initiated snide personal remarks to another poster?
However I note that you acknowledge that butchersapron's remarks are snide ones.

Do you really go through life like this? How have you manged to reach 65?

a) You're all racist cunts and i hate you each and everyone.
b) Wtf?
c) How dare you disagree with me, that's abuse - and you started it.

(d) make mexico pay)

 

[philosophical]

Try interspersing your snideness with substantive content. Goes a long way.

I have made several substantive comments, you must have missed them, or maybe they didn't pass your test as to what is substantive enough.
However instead of pointing that out straightforwardly, you are reduced to snide personal digs after extracting bits of personal information from me.
Why don't you intersperse your addiction to snideness by suggesting an Irish border solution that would work?

 

[butchersapron]

I have made several substantive comments, you must have missed them, or maybe they didn't pass your test as to what is substantive enough.
However instead of pointing that out straightforwardly, you are reduced to snide personal digs after extracting bits of personal information from me.
Why don't you intersperse your addiction to snideness by suggesting an Irish border solution that would work?

You came in with your during the war bollocks and attempted to use it as a point of authority - i didn't extract it.

 

[Winot]

Just to point out, this the above is an abridged version of the this opinion piece from the FT.

But even from the comments under that article, it seems there's plenty of disagreement about it.

Do any of the comments suggest it is the EU imposing these rules rather than the WTO?

 

[sealion]

but another huge factor was not wanting to validate the alt right position and give them the extra power.

The eu and there polocies are doing that for them.

and my aspiration was towards collaboration and collective problem solving

Juncker will be calling you any minute now for your collective input.

simply running away from it all.

Another shit dig

 

[philosophical]

The EU would have stopped it?

Is this really happening?

No the EU wouldn't have stopped it, but working in partnership might have led to a solution. Stalking off and saying, 'no, not my problem' wouldn't help.
I agree about 'is this really happening' in terms of the agenda of many on here to play the man so as to avoid the issues.

 

[Wilf]

Representative democracy is (to an extent that can be debated) about people being involved, having power, being in a position to influence policy.
It is not about passing all that power to politicians, there are plenty of examples from history where politicians with power are challenged and have to change, votes for women being one.
Representative democracy is about the interaction of people, not about the abdication of responsibility.
If your contention is that the voters could not possibly be expected to have a border solution in mind when voting, then what happens next?
Nobody has any solution, yet the brexit winners continually demand one when saying they have regained control of the borders. Do you not see how absurd that position is.
Finding a solution to the Irish border, a practical solution, would at least test the mettle of brexit voters, and might even throw up a pleasant surprise, but all I see is brexit voters (not you) avoiding responsibility, or even trying to take the single first step in their 1000 mile journey.

Go on, tell me how it works: the question of the border - are we just asking brexit voters or remain as well? How do they put their diverse opinions on the border into practice? Series of meetings? Some kind of electronic democracy? Does government have to go with the outcome of this process?

Of course none of that was in place, none of that happened, not of that ever happens. So what does your notion that brexit voters should have had a border policy add up to?

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[butchersapron]

No the EU wouldn't have stopped it, but working in partnership might have led to a solution. Stalking off and saying, 'no, not my problem' wouldn't help.
I agree about 'is this really happening' in terms of the agenda of many on here to play the man so as to avoid the issues.

Yes, that's will happen now. No - nuclear contamination you're not coming in. Jesus.

 

[philosophical]

Do you really go through life like this? How have you manged to reach 65?

a) You're all racist cunts and i hate you each and everyone.
b) Wtf?
c) How dare you disagree with me, that's abuse - and you started it.

(d) make mexico pay)

Nice try. But way off.
I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.
You don't disagree with me, simply snipe from your scraghole from time to time. To disagree would be to engage, but you don't want to do that in my case, preferring to go down the personal route.

 

[sealion]

Oh yeah? Where have I initiated snide personal remarks to another poster?

Is Brexit actually going to happen?

 

[butchersapron]

Nice try. But way off.
I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.
You don't disagree with me, simply snipe from your scraghole from time to time. To disagree would be to engage, but you don't want to do that in my case, preferring to go down the personal route.

I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.

Relentless pub-bore stupidity.

 

[kabbes]

I see brexit voters as racists.

Whatever happened to your much-vaunted all-important get-out-of-jail-free question mark?

 

[stethoscope]

Nice try. But way off.
I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.
You don't disagree with me, simply snipe from your scraghole from time to time. To disagree would be to engage, but you don't want to do that in my case, preferring to go down the personal route.

This is proper childish stuff, you can't be the age you are surely?!

 

[mojo pixy]

I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.

And this is going to achieve what? Apart from make you feel awesome, obvs.

 

[Wilf]

Nice try. But way off.
I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.
You don't disagree with me, simply snipe from your scraghole from time to time. To disagree would be to engage, but you don't want to do that in my case, preferring to go down the personal route.

The irony is, many of the people you are arguing with on this thread have been involved in anti-racist politics for years. Have you?

 

[butchersapron]

Is Brexit actually going to happen?

I love that Sorry, late to this thread and my first post. like we can all now start now the hero of the story has arrived.

 

[sealion]

I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.

This is the basis for your arguement. You have no interest in why people voted leave ( there are many posts from people explaining there reasons) but no matter what, you will resort to using the race card. hating millions of people must be eating away at you. Good

 

[Wilf]

This is the basis for your arguement. You have no interest in why people voted leave ( there are many posts from people explaining there reasons) but no matter what, you will resort to using the race card. hating millions of people must be eating away at you. Good

Aye page after page of posters going through their non-racist reasons for voting brexit.... 'but, but, but you're all racists'.

 

[philosophical]

The irony is, many of the people you are arguing with on this thread have been involved in anti-racist politics for years. Have you?

Yes I have, and to an extent live it too. My wife is Chinese, my son is mixed race, I regularly hear from both of them about racist incidents and abuse, I was on the receiving end as a child. During my working life as an enthusiastic and active Trade Unionist I supported all initiatives that would help minority victims, or any victims actually.
Is your question another dreary ploy to get me to disclose personal information that can be thrown back in my face in some way?

 

[philosophical]

And this is going to achieve what? Apart from make you feel awesome, obvs.

What may be obvious to you, is exactly that, obvious to you. Cuddle up close to that thought, because you are not always correct...obviously.

 

[sealion]

Aye page after page of posters going through their non-racist reasons for voting brexit.... 'but, but, but you're all racists'.

It must quite frustrating to be so ignorant and thick. That's all he has.

 

[sealion]

My wife is Chinese, my son is mixed race

That old chestnut Didn't you pull me for saying i had black and asian mates ?

 

[Wilf]

Yes I have, and to an extent live it too. My wife is Chinese, my son is mixed race, I regularly hear from both of them about racist incidents and abuse, I was on the receiving end as a child. During my working life as an enthusiastic and active Trade Unionist I supported all initiatives that would help minority victims, or any victims actually.
Is your question another dreary ploy to get me to disclose personal information that can be throw back in my face in some way?

Not really no. You repeatedly accuse people on this very thread of being racist, I was wondering what active contribution you yourself have made to fighting racism.

 

[philosophical]

And this is going to achieve what? Apart from make you feel awesome, obvs.

PS I never said my hatred will achieve anything much, but is sits there and grows. Perhaps I have come onto discussions like this to seek reasons to hate less, driven by my subconscious or something, but my experience so far on Urban 75 has not reduced my hatred. Not that it need matter to you or anybody.

 

[philosophical]

This is the basis for your arguement. You have no interest in why people voted leave ( there are many posts from people explaining there reasons) but no matter what, you will resort to using the race card. hating millions of people must be eating away at you. Good

Wehey. I have made someone happy, the day isn't completely wasted then.

 

[sealion]

More projection

 

[DotCommunist]

PS I never said my hatred will achieve anything much, but is sits there and grows. Perhaps I have come onto discussions like this to seek reasons to hate less, driven by my subconscious or something, but my experience so far on Urban 75 has not reduced my hatred. Not that it need matter to you or anybody.

It is a lonely cross you bear.