Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Supine
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teqniq
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I think this belongs here inasmuch as it was very much part of the part of the strategy used by the right-wing press pre-Brexit:
www.theguardian.com
Migrants are off the agenda for the UK press, but the damage is done
The Express and Mail headlines have gone, but the deep divisions they caused are the real crisis
ska invita
back on the other side
That article ends with a common misconception, that print media is on the wane, sales are in freefall, and they "may never be able to mount such a campaign again"... But it ignores website views which are massive and have a seemingly bigger reach than the paper versions ever had.I think this belongs here inasmuch as it was very much part of the part of the strategy used by the right-wing press pre-Brexit:
Migrants are off the agenda for the UK press, but the damage is done
The Express and Mail headlines have gone, but the deep divisions they caused are the real crisis
The increasing irrelevance of the papers is overstated imo
I think this belongs here inasmuch as it was very much part of the part of the strategy used by the right-wing press pre-Brexit:
Migrants are off the agenda for the UK press, but the damage is done
The Express and Mail headlines have gone, but the deep divisions they caused are the real crisis
Home Secretary talking to Sky News regarding the end of free movement - going for a Aussie points based system and also will be looking to stop cheap unskilled labour pouring in from the EU continuing.
From approx 10mins in.
Been some talk of this amongst fellow delivery drivers as this may impact the Amazon driver workforce as there are many EU drivers - some contractors having all EU workers from the likes of Romania, Poland etc, which could fit into the category of unskilled work (despite the job imo being far from ‘unskilled’).
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There’s a thing going round the usual social media places where people are pledging to donate every Brexit 50p they get to refugee charities.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Interesting - given this sort of stuff
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why is that an unofficial coin?
Because the royal mint aren’t employing people to scribble the heart sign with ‘EU’ in permanent marker.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so what you mean is it is a defaced official coin. the coin you illustrate your post (quoted) with would be an unofficial coin. whereas i could go into any shop in the land with the defaced 50p and provide it in part payment for goods.
gosub
~#
I'd personally bend on GM soya rather than the animal welfare side of chlorinated chicken.
There was a bit in the run up to the election where Lab and Tories were ripping off KFC..on a cowdice type thing. Felt really sorry for KFC who I'm sure can and do abide by UK food hygiene standards they have fuck all input in setting yet I get the feeling will bear brunt of clorinated chicken debate
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
On Holocaust Memorial Day....
I admit I've been a remainer to the point of iac at points in the not far distant past, but the above is simply beyond embarassing 
Not to mention fucking shit
Not to mention fucking shit
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
I would if I were you
2hats
Dust.
As the tweet immediately below it points out, that particular bulldog is almost certainly dead by now.
ska invita
back on the other side
Carrying on the state aid conversation from anotehr thread here instead
For example yesterdays FT suggests a big fight over state aid - especially as BJ has supposedly been making sounds that are designed to signal (to the public) that he wants the state to Buy British etc
www.ft.com
however they key bit is " British officials have insisted that Mr Johnson does not envisage a big increase in state aid after Brexit, rather that he wants to be able to intervene more promptly; they cite attempts by the government to help the UK steel industry in 2015, which they claim were hindered by a “50 day” wait for state aid approval from Brussels. " (in fact they used it as cover not to have to act)
Some other bits from that article
" if Britain is able to use public money to bolster key companies in a way that EU countries are not, it will give UK businesses a competitive advantage — something Brussels is determined to prevent."
and
" The sensitivities around state aid are heightened by the concessions that Britain had to make on the issue when it hammered out a Brexit deal with the EU. A core part of arrangements for preventing a hard border on the island of Ireland is that Northern Ireland must stay within the EU’s state-aid regime. EU officials note that in practice this means the UK will need to notify state-aid decisions for review by Brussels — even if they only have indirect relevance for Northern Ireland. Making that system mesh with the broader state-aid conditions attached to a trade deal will be fiendishly difficult."
Finishes to say EU holds all the cards and the UKs self imposed deadline means the game of chicken is one the UK government is more readily going to lose. So yeah, Id say the odds of seeing state aid rules being binned is very unlikely-to-zero
And the Tories aren't exactly massive fans either, and what with just having come very close (in 2017 at least) to a Corbyn government that had nationalisation at the heart of its manifesto its hard to imagine where the incentive would come for this cabinet to fight for that particular change in the relationship with the EU. Its just the kind of issue they'd be happy to back down on in the hope of getting something they actually want. Any words from the Tories that claim they really want rid of state aid rules are most likely positioning for future horse trading.
For example yesterdays FT suggests a big fight over state aid - especially as BJ has supposedly been making sounds that are designed to signal (to the public) that he wants the state to Buy British etc
Brussels to fight tough on state aid in post-Brexit talks
Red line on subsidies sets tone for the trade battle to come
Some other bits from that article
" if Britain is able to use public money to bolster key companies in a way that EU countries are not, it will give UK businesses a competitive advantage — something Brussels is determined to prevent."
and
" The sensitivities around state aid are heightened by the concessions that Britain had to make on the issue when it hammered out a Brexit deal with the EU. A core part of arrangements for preventing a hard border on the island of Ireland is that Northern Ireland must stay within the EU’s state-aid regime. EU officials note that in practice this means the UK will need to notify state-aid decisions for review by Brussels — even if they only have indirect relevance for Northern Ireland. Making that system mesh with the broader state-aid conditions attached to a trade deal will be fiendishly difficult."
Finishes to say EU holds all the cards and the UKs self imposed deadline means the game of chicken is one the UK government is more readily going to lose. So yeah, Id say the odds of seeing state aid rules being binned is very unlikely-to-zero
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ska invita
back on the other side
This is a good summary I think sounds right
ukandeu.ac.uk
concludes:
"All of which suggests that Johnson’s state aid suggestions are more of an election pitch to win over seats in the Midlands and the North.
Don’t expect much to change on state aid whoever is in government if we want any sort of free trade deal with the EU in the near future."
State aid after Brexit - UK in a changing Europe
Professor David Bailey discusses EU state aid and Johnson's commitment to developing new state aid rules after the UK leaves the EU.
ukandeu.ac.uk
"All of which suggests that Johnson’s state aid suggestions are more of an election pitch to win over seats in the Midlands and the North.
Don’t expect much to change on state aid whoever is in government if we want any sort of free trade deal with the EU in the near future."
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wont affect any of the existing Amazon workforce providing they are legit. If however there was a labour shortage what would Amazon have to do to recruit?
Not sure but I know they struggle for drivers in Scotland. Drivers from England are always offered higher pay to do stints of work up there (£130 per day including hotel accommodation, £165 per day over Xmas).
Apparently it’s commonplace for recruiters in Scotland to advertise jobs to have prospective Scots call them but hang up as soon as they hear the job is delivering for Amazon.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They might have to raise the wages then if they cant recruit
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