Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teqniq]

Yeah I thought that too.

 

[Rivendelboy]

He'll get away with that, 'take the knife to them' could easily mean cutting their jobs.

That's their defence. The idiots following these scumbags on twitter just laugh it all off, even when you point out their language has been used by people to harm others, including murder. They are completely disconnected from reality and believe that because it's a 'common turn of phrase' nothing bad can come from it. They have normalised violence

 

[isvicthere?]

You suggested that the worst that would happen when your friends overthrow the result is ‘gammon fulminating’. I’ve pointed out that you are not just wide of the mark, you’re on a different planet.

There you go...

My "friends"?

 

[gosub]

Firstly, no-one is suggesting that Brexit can just be done. The issue is the 3 plus year delay to get the first step done.

Second, your use of ‘gammon’ reveals your pitiful misunderstanding of the nature of the class responses set in motion. A newsnight report this week, which could have been packaged a ‘Dispatch on what the northern working class scum think about it’ went up the road from me to Walsall.

What was striking, and what alleged lefts like yourself should be interested in, is that the political alienation of those in these communities - young, old, black, white, leaver and remained alike - is being embedded more deeply by the parliamentary farce. Everything they think is being confirmed back to them by it. Politicians are corrupt, the process is bent, every time they offer an opinion they are demonised or sneeringly dismisses as racists, their lives are irrelevant: nobody gives a fuck about people like us.

Pathetic dribble about boneheads, gammons and their ability to kick it off reveals just how disconnected some are from a mass feeling that has been strengthening and which Brexit has merely given focus and voice to. It is generated and continues to grow from a million grievances, which we can summarise as political alienation, peripheralisation and lost futures.

This is what the political class are terrified about unleashing. This is what we've seen in France.

Didn't see the the Walsall piece but did see the Cleveland policing....Middlesbourgh voted 65% leave.Thats a year on from the first BBC piece that highlighted how things are. Now you have a leave PM talking about restoring police numbers whilst being called a facist for wanting to increase police numbers by Hesiltine(remainer). A former Home Secretary that became PM (remainer) that sits om the backbenchrsmust bear some responsibility. And f"or the record" another former 'remainer' PM thinks austerity could have been done harder. Another Remainer PM ĺwice pushed that the future was empowering authority to be able to march who they lied to the cash point - I suppose it would have removed the need for Charles Lynton'paperwork

 

[isvicthere?]

That's their defence. The idiots following these scumbags on twitter just laugh it all off, even when you point out their language has been used by people to harm others, including murder. They are completely disconnected from reality and believe that because it's a 'common turn of phrase' nothing bad can come from it. They have normalised violence

Indeed! It's impossible to talk about the profound, malign, hateful effects of brexit without breaking Godwin's Law.....

 

[isvicthere?]

Didn't see the the Walsall piece but did see the Cleveland policing....Middlesbourgh voted 65% leave.Thats a year on from the first BBC piece that highlighted how things are. Now you have a leave PM talking about restoring police numbers whilst being called a facist for wanting to increase police numbers by Hesiltine(remainer). A former Home Secretary that became PM (remainer) that sits om the backbenchrsmust bear some responsibility. And f"or the record" another former 'remainer' PM thinks austerity could have been done harder. Another Remainer PM ĺwice pushed that the future was empowering authority to be able to march who they lied to the cash point - I suppose it would have removed the need for Charles Lynton'paperwork

And there's a "Prime Minister" in thrall to an advocate of game theory and eugenics who thinks the way forward in the biggest peacetime crisis in living memory is illegally to shut down Parliament, peppering his commentary thereupon with the invective of war (like, well... you know who)?

"Which side are you on?" indeed!

 

[not-bono-ever]

farage doesnt make a foxes paw like that, its a purposeful and deliberate message - but one that he will argue can be used for another end.

 

[butchersapron]

And there's a "Prime Minister" in thrall to an advocate of game theory and eugenics who thinks the way forward in the biggest peacetime crisis in living memory is illegally to shut down Parliament, peppering his commentary thereupon with the invective of war (like, well... you know who)?

"Which side are you on?" indeed!

Well?

 

[isvicthere?]

Well?

Well indeed!

 

[DexterTCN]

This is still happening, another present from Scotland.

Special power of the Court of Session could force Boris Johnson to extend Article 50

 

[MrCurry]

These things can turn very quickly. If his government were to fall to be replaced by some caretaker govt, Johnson would find it very hard to characterise himself as anything other than a failure - either to those who already think he is one or those who currently back him because he wants to 'get brexit done'. I can imagine the Brexit Party having a field day, then who knows what would happen at an election? Could see the tories virtually wiped out in parts of the country, but I don't think anyone has any real idea what would happen.

I would have thought it would be just the opposite. Boris removed from post within a month of the Oct 31 deadline gets to go into the next election saying that he was just about to deliver Brexit and was stopped by those nasty SNP, labour and Lib Dems, and the only way to get the Brexit you want is to vote Tory and give him a majority in the commons.

Taking him out with a VONC lets him off the hook and prevents the voters seeing him balls it all up when it comes to the crunch.

 

[gosub]

Germany Will Not Agree To Delay Brexit “Just For The Sake Of It”

 

[Flavour]

Yes they will

 

[MickiQ]

Germany Will Not Agree To Delay Brexit “Just For The Sake Of It”

We'll file that one in the same drawer as "We Hold All The Cards", "Just Leave" and "The Backstop Must Go"

 

[Marty1]

Just watching itv and a govt. ‘get ready for Brexit’ leaving 31st Oct advert came on.

I guess it’s really happening then.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Just watching itv and a govt. ‘get ready for Brexit’ leaving 31st Oct advert came on.

I guess it’s really happening then.

did they say how?

 

[Marty1]

did they say how?

Just this link:

Get ready for Brexit

 

[DexterTCN]

Just this link:

Get ready for Brexit

Have you had a look around there? It's a fucking nightmare. And that's the info after 3 years of brexit passing. 3 years, that's what there is. Mental.

 

[Supine]

Looks easy

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[Mr Moose]

Firstly, no-one is suggesting that Brexit can just be done. The issue is the 3 plus year delay to get the first step done.

Second, your use of ‘gammon’ reveals your pitiful misunderstanding of the nature of the class responses set in motion. A newsnight report this week, which could have been packaged a ‘Dispatch on what the northern working class scum think about it’ went up the road from me to Walsall.

What was striking, and what alleged lefts like yourself should be interested in, is that the political alienation of those in these communities - young, old, black, white, leaver and remained alike - is being embedded more deeply by the parliamentary farce. Everything they think is being confirmed back to them by it. Politicians are corrupt, the process is bent, every time they offer an opinion they are demonised or sneeringly dismisses as racists, their lives are irrelevant: nobody gives a fuck about people like us.

Pathetic dribble about boneheads, gammons and their ability to kick it off reveals just how disconnected some are from a mass feeling that has been strengthening and which Brexit has merely given focus and voice to. It is generated and continues to grow from a million grievances, which we can summarise as political alienation, peripheralisation and lost futures.

This is what the political class are terrified about unleashing. This is what we've seen in France.

I acknowledge a lot of what you say, but I think your overstate how most people feel, how nuanced their reactions are.

I know that area pretty well, visit relations in Cradley Heath every month. People are sceptical and colourfully disdainful of politicians, but that’s hardly new nor is disillusionment. And most people don’t engage in it to the degree boards like this do. That sense of crisis isn’t there for everyone, or at least it’s a bit of theatre at the periphery of the daily whirl and making ends meet. Most people are far too canny and robust to take Brexit seriously enough to throw a brick for it.

 

[Supine]

I'd disagree with the last sentence. I have good friends who have been refused to stay in the UK. I'm very angry about loosing my friends just so that some old cnut can be happy to receive their blue passport.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I don’t really remember the blue passport thing blowing up until after the ref.
And I really shouldn’t open this thread during night shift in a care home. Ugly, regressive, bollocks.

 

[Dogsauce]

Tbh I suspect a lot of those who ‘just want it done’ aren’t xenophobes or free market ideologues, they’re just sick to death of hearing about it. This will include quite a lot who voted remain too. The inability to deliver and the endless news cycle about it all is pretty wearing even for those of us with a reasonable interest/tolerance of politics. Johnson is on to something when he goes on about delivering it do or die. Just do it and figure the rest out afterwards, it’ll probably be fine.

 

[Marty1]

IS BREXIT ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN?
I dont think Brexit is going to happen. The forces who don't want it to happen are too great.

Opposed are the majority of the british political establishment, the Civil Service, the education and arts institutions, the City of London, large corporate interests, the TUC, the US, the EU, international finance, Scotland, Northern Ireland and half the population - and that proportion is likely to grow as the cluster fuck unfolds.

For an op made back on 27th June 2016 that assertion has proved not only prophetic but also an understatement based on recent revelations.

 

[Ming]

Interesting piece on Farage helping his mates in the hedge fund industry short the pound on the night of the referendum.

 

[Humberto]

Interesting piece on Farage helping his mates in the hedge fund industry short the pound on the night of the referendum.

Stop posting videos

 

[Humberto]

Like many Farage bought into his own mythos and decided to make it about him.

 

[redsquirrel]

Ok here I go. I’m going to regret this one.

What’s so awful about being on the liberal left? (And I don’t mean being a Lib Dem!)

*runs and hides*

Bit late as I've been busy the last couple of days but this article in Tribune provides an example of the differences that danny and butchers highlighted. This example is specifically in the context of the Labour Party but the points it makes are of wider relevance.

In recent decades, socialism has declined and been replaced on the left by progressivism, a project to build majorities by uniting those with progressive social views. These views often extend to the economy too, with theses like Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson’s The Spirit Level summing up the alignment between progressive social views and economic equality. But the coalition they imply remains based upon attitudes rather than interests.

(my emphasis)

Or to put it in crude terms - a worker who holds reactionary opinions about immigrants may be a dick but they are still a worker, their class interest are still aligned with mine (and presumably yours). A boss may be lovely and progressive, may be implementing all kinds of policies that tackle discrimination, inequality and even workplace democracy but at a fundamental level their interests are in opposition to those of their workers.

 

[Poi E]

Explains some of right mind voting lib dem.

 

[gosub]

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