Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Mr Moose]

Well I wouldn't imagine any hypothetical riot would have one isolated cause, it will be a lot of things reaching a critical mass, including the feeling of being excluded from having any control/agency. The far right inroads into this field should give some indication of its potential (not that it's likely but that it's possible)

True, but then Brexit seems an unlikely spark.

The far right involvement that you mention also demonstrates the problem. If they are the spark then where would they gain support? I can’t think of anywhere that they wouldn’t get a hiding. Most people will not join it if they lead it.

 

[Mr Moose]

Brexit and the effects of brexit, yes. There have been riots about all manner of things, prices of theatre tickets, performances of the rite of spring, at the first performance of playboy of the western world so it's entirely feasible for there to be Brexit-based disorder.

Theatre tickets? Another Remain fuelled outrage.

Most riots in this country are related to the Police, discrimination, deprivation, industrial disputes or football. For it to be deprivation that’s usually within a community. I can’t think where the community is that will kick off about Brexit being revoked let alone delayed.

This is a confection of the Right, unnamed Tory ministers, the Murdoch press, blowhards on Twitter. It’s a projection of their desire not reality.

 

[chilango]

True, but then Brexit seems an unlikely spark.

The far right involvement that you mention also demonstrates the problem. If they are the spark then where would they gain support? I can’t think of anywhere that they wouldn’t get a hiding. Most people will not join it if they lead it.

Do you not remember the almost million votes the BNP got? Or all the councillors they had?

I'm willing to take a punt that they were mainly in places that are now regarded as "strong leave areas".

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

SNP saying they would support Corbyn now as interim caretaker...

But wouldn’t it make more sense for it to be ken Clarke? Let a Tory take the blame for thwarting brexit?

Although what do I know?

 

[DotCommunist]

SNP saying they would support Corbyn now as interim caretaker...

But wouldn’t it make more sense for it to be ken Clarke? Let a Tory take the blame for thwarting brexit?

Although what do I know?

The lib dems won't go for it, the only prize here for them is ratfucking the labour left

 

[killer b]

There is no way you could get the whole of the PLP to support Ken Fucking Clarke as prime minister. Rightly so, he's scum.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Ok here I go. I’m going to regret this one.

What’s so awful about being on the liberal left? (And I don’t mean being a Lib Dem!)

*runs and hides*

Shortest possible answer: because 'left liberal' is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Pickman's model]

Theatre tickets? Another Remain fuelled outrage.

Most riots in this country are related to the Police, discrimination, deprivation, industrial disputes or football. For it to be deprivation that’s usually within a community. I can’t think where the community is that will kick off about Brexit being revoked let alone delayed.

This is a confection of the Right, unnamed Tory ministers, the Murdoch press, blowhards on Twitter. It’s a projection of their desire not reality.

It's disappointing but not surprising to see you post such tosh

 

[Mr Moose]

Do you not remember the almost million votes the BNP got? Or all the councillors they had?

I'm willing to take a punt that they were mainly in places that are now regarded as "strong leave areas".

Not many riots then and there apart from confrontations with anti fascist groups around the Steven Lawrence demos or the Welling bookshop.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's disappointing but not surprising to see you post such tosh

It’s not surprising you have nothing else of note to say. Are you really going to indulge this fantasy of riots about Brexit? Thought you had a bit more in your noggin.

 

[killer b]

2001 Oldham riots - Wikipedia

 

[belboid]

2001 Oldham riots - Wikipedia

not to mention Bradford and Harehills in the same year.

 

[Mr Moose]

Are you suggesting that a Brexit related riot would be on those lines?

 

[killer b]

I'm suggesting your post saying 'not many riots then' is innacurate.

 

[brogdale]

I'm surely not alone in easily envisaging the "we thought things would be better/different after Brexit" vox poops recorded in front of the smouldering ruins of what remained of the interviewee's shopping centre?

 

[Mr Moose]

I'm suggesting your post saying 'not many riots then' is innacurate.

Fair enough, but this suggests riots in conflict with other working class groups. And I believe there will be little appetite for that.

 

[Winot]

From the BBC

Consensus on legal Twitter is that the mooted sidestepping of the Benn Act is bollocks.

Don’t know if that’s correct but I’ve seen no commentary from any legal experts that suggests otherwise. Of course all lawyers are Remoaners etc.

 

[kebabking]

SNP saying they would support Corbyn now as interim caretaker...

But wouldn’t it make more sense for it to be ken Clarke? Let a Tory take the blame for thwarting brexit?

Although what do I know?

If Labour - and here I mean the leadership and the membership - explicitly say that Corbyn isn't the best/only person who can do this 'interim PM' job, they know that they are telling the electorate at the GE two months later that even they accept that he'd be a dead loss as PM.

That's why they bash so hard on this 'it can only be the leader of the opposition' thing - when in fact it can be any MP from any party who can find either 320-something other MP's to support him, or just more MP's than any other MP can find - if they publicly accept that Corbyn isn't the right/only man for the job because only those he pays (and not even all of them..) will support him, then they may as well not bother turning up to November's GE.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm surely not alone in easily envisaging the "we thought things would be better/different after Brexit" vox poops recorded in front of the smouldering ruins of what remained of the interviewee's shopping centre?

I predict that shortly after Brexit it will transpire that nobody voted leave at all so there'll be nobody to interview. Oh, this smouldering ruin? It was like that when I got here.

 

[brogdale]

So, is this what the Johnson regime are sniggering about?

 

[SpookyFrank]

So, is this what the Johnson regime are sniggering about?

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Sounds like bollocks to me. 'European law usurps British law' does not sound like the words of a person who knows about laws. The Benn act does not overrule article 50 anyway, it's a set of rules for what the government must do given that article 50 is in effect.

 

[brogdale]

Sounds like bollocks to me. 'European law usurps British law' does not sound like the words of a person who knows about laws. The Benn act does not overrule article 50 anyway, it's a set of rules for what the government must do given that article 50 is in effect.

Probs.
Wonder if the 'ruse' is basically as simple as asking for an extension (as per) then not accepting the offer?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Probs.
Wonder if the 'ruse' is basically as simple as asking for an extension (as per) then not accepting the offer?

I believe the Benn act requires Johnson to accept any extension offered by the EU.

 

[brogdale]

I believe the Benn act requires Johnson to accept any extension offered by the EU.

Oh, right; I suppose they'd have thought that one through?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Oh, right; I suppose they'd have thought that one through?

It was worded very carefully on the (valid) assumption that leaving any loopholes or wiggle room would make the whole thing a waste of time.

 

[killer b]

I believe the Benn act requires Johnson to accept any extension offered by the EU.

(subject to a vote in the commons)

 

[SpookyFrank]

(subject to a vote in the commons)

Which would be a formality, although possibly one which allowed some scope for timewasting.

 

[Winot]

Probs.
Wonder if the 'ruse' is basically as simple as asking for an extension (as per) then not accepting the offer?

Interestingly, Article 50(3) doesn't even require the departing member state to request an extension. It simply requires the European Council to decide unanimously to extend the period "in agreement with the Member State concerned".

 

[chilango]

For the record Mr Moose, I'm not saying there will be riots should Brexit not happen. Nor am I predicting what form or character they would take. I'm just saying it's not implausible.

 

[8ball]

True, but then Brexit seems an unlikely spark.

The far right involvement that you mention also demonstrates the problem. If they are the spark then where would they gain support? I can’t think of anywhere that they wouldn’t get a hiding. Most people will not join it if they lead it.

I'm wondering how these Brexit riots are going to get started - you always need some kind of spark, and I don't think there's a clear chain of command between the rioters and Johnson, and putting subliminal messages in Britain's Got Talent might be a bit hit and miss.