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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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I know. "It gives them a chance at winning (an election)." Terrifying stuff.
Here's yer man saying we, literally, need to take an exam before having a vote on Brexit:
A citizens’ assembly is the best way out of the Brexit mess

Read the whole thing, it's only short, but here's an appetizer:
One idea might be a people’s vote but this time without a campaign at all, on the grounds that people could make better use of their time preparing for their vote by informing themselves. What if we went further and invoked a principle that has spread into many areas of life in the last couple of decades, namely ‘informed consent’, and said to people, if you are going to make this major change, you really do need to know what it is you are endorsing, so if you want a ballot card, you need to take an exam?

Pie in the sky? In practice, it probably is, though it’s not a bad principle. After all, anyone not born in the UK who wants to become a British citizen and thus be entitled to vote as well as pay tax here has to take the life in Britain test that many of us would fail. A basic but rigorous test, with a time limit for completion, could be devised, on the EU’s rules and institutions, and the proposals themselves. If they passed the test people would be able to print off their barcoded voting form in the way you print off any machine-readable ticket, take it along to the polling station, have it checked off and vote as individuals who have thought things out for themselves.

He concludes that it may be difficult to stop people cheating (boo! hiss!) so it will have to be a Citizen's Assembly. Fine stuff.
 
Outside of racist nonsense, that must be close to the worst and most offensive thing I've seen in the whole brexit palaver.
 
Wow. I find just about every sentence of that offensive, but I'll just quote this bit:


'Audiences who have lost their appetite for truth'. Gosh. Oh my.

Weren't we all happier in the days when Charles Turner thought we were just racist thickos?

Edit: the comments on that piece are quite something as well.
This one stood out. Fuck me.
Any referendum should be based on the same original question but this time it should be compulsory to vote as then we will find out the intentions of the ones who chose not to vote last time and aslo it will be the TRUE Will of the people as it would be a majority of ALL eligible voters and would be finite in its conclusion.
 
Here's yer man saying we, literally, need to take an exam before having a vote on Brexit:
A citizens’ assembly is the best way out of the Brexit mess

Read the whole thing, it's only short, but here's an appetizer:


He concludes that it may be difficult to stop people cheating (boo! hiss!) so it will have to be a Citizen's Assembly. Fine stuff.
I agree with him there should be a citizens' assembly, tho I'd call it a constituent assembly, and rather than work alongside the failed bourgeois parliament I see a ca as replacing it for an interim period before a more substantive democratic structure can be constituted. As a preliminary the relocation of former people to the southern industrial projects would of course be a priority.
 
This one stood out. Fuck me.
Just remembered a radio programme I heard in the months after the 2016 vote. Some bloke who might have been from the same stable as Charles Turner suggesting the Brexit vote should have been weighted to allow the votes of younger votes to have more impact than older ones. His logic was that the oldies wouldn't have to live through much of the post Brexit world. As well as being truly :facepalm: it would have taken a wee while at the count.
 
And that may well be true (cant say for sure without seeing rather more of the actual comments), but simply saying 'it's all neo-liberalism' without countering the racist aspect means that racism will go unchallenged and will be an open door for the right. There isn't a single narrative we can impose on the referendum result without missing other key factors that also need addressing.
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Seems to me there's something about the unknown of Brexit that means everyone sees what their preconceptions want them to see...ive been looking for an analogy, best I can think of is the Roscharch inkblot test. It makes trying to move on through through talk pointless...its clear infront of everyone's eyes and no new fact or event changes what they see.

The fact that the streets rang out with the shout We Voted Leave Now Leave on the day after the referendum may as well have not happened - nothing to do with racism and xenophobia - nothing to see here. Reductionism about class and motivation have just got more concentrated the more time that passes. Working class voted this, middle class that nonsense. (Came across this Danny Dorling piece recently which is a good corrective on that front btw - though I probably like it because it also confirms my Roscharch bias - no one is immune)

I've been trying to read a 1930s communist era text recently - total reductionist absurdism about how the proletariat will do this the bourgeoisie that etc. Time has shown it to be the most failed wishful thinking, and the world is even more complex now then it was then. The dynamic feels very familiar.
 
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Further evidence of the DUP shifting their position.

The Democratic Unionist party’s leader, Arlene Foster, has signalled it is ready to do a Brexit deal, indicating for the first time a willingness to accept a bespoke solution for Northern Ireland.

She was speaking just hours before she held an “unplanned” meeting with the Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, amid signs of a Brexit thaw between Belfast and Dublin.

In a break with previous rhetoric where she has strongly opposed treating the region differently to the rest of the UK, Foster said the final deal would have to recognise Northern Ireland’s unique historical and geographical position and the fact it will be the UK’s only land border with the EU.

Arlene Foster signals DUP shift on Northern Ireland border issue
 
So No Deal
or another year.....

how long before they just say fuck it, and tell us to jog on?

Can you see this UK government potentially going another year as things are? And what happens as a result of the change? is it to a government that wants an are you sure? referendum or one that wants to pretend the referendum didn't happen.....

Sounds like the preliminary tests at the French bottleneck are going well (else why were prepared to back this ultimatum?)
 
He means UK should be given until end of implementation period in December 2020 to find backstop workaround while still leaving with a deal at end of October, not that there should be a 15 month extension.
In that case, he's not really saying anything at all. They are free to work on a backstop workaround with May's deal. Indeed, that's what the backstop is for - something that provides guarantees in case a workaround isn't found.
 
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