Identity Politics: the impasse, the debate, the thread.

[lucillemara]

shite thread

why is workerism so rarely called out under the umbrella of idpol?

btw, angela nagle, cited earlier, is literally a nazbol rape apologist so people need to get better sources
twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/1048723937868349440

 

[butchersapron]

That's right - 2500 posts in support of nagle and her views. Don't even begin to pretend that you've read the thread if that your criticism. Or that that even this covers the breadth of the many sources used in the thread.

Class as an identity has been repeatedly criticised as an example of identity politics - even in this thread.

(Is that you revol? I would be surprised tbh given you weren't ever given to such daft nazbol comparisons).

 

[danny la rouge]

Weird “newbie” comes straight onto this thread to make weird post. Not at all suspect.

 

[lucillemara]

no I haven't read most of the thread, I'm familiar with the standard good and bad arguments against identity politics and they're all here so why bother

 

[butchersapron]

no I haven't read most of the thread, I'm familiar with the standard good and bad arguments against identity politics and they're all here so why bother

Don't waste our time then.

 

[lucillemara]

so hey, is workerism - idealist, identitarian approach to class - liberal identity politics or not?

 

[lucillemara]

answer my question

 

[lucillemara]

and why was a nazbol cited as a good source anyway?

 

[butchersapron]

Read the thread and find out you arrogant 'shite'.

 

[Shechemite]

answer my question

Fucking lol

 

[lucillemara]

ever think you might be primed to accept or reject certain things for - wait for it - identitarian reasons?

 

[lucillemara]

fuck your blokey zombie left

 

[butchersapron]

Time waster.

 

[TruXta]

 

[lucillemara]

so, identity politics: essentialism, neoliberal feminism, representational approaches to "social justice", etc

not identity politics: good politics

where to put:
people who have dropped out of activism due to being victimised by the blokey left
-and whose attempts to combat rape culture on the left are shut down with cries of "idpol""
people whose concerns - even ones cited as legitimate ones by the anti-identity crowd on this very thread - have been dismissed and ridiculed by leftyboys in real life in exactly the same ways as liberal indentitarianism is here

I'm not being courteous but I am being sincere. I won't hang around long but I'd like some acknowledgement at least.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm going to have tea with Jean Weir! And kick a car!

 

[lucillemara]

you seem to dispute that angela nagle is a nazbol. why? she's friends with jordan peterson and richard spencer.

 

[butchersapron]

So are 'we' - right? So no problem.

 

[lucillemara]

did you know the rape allegations against the SWP and other trot groups have been repeatedly dismissed, by members of those groups, as identity politics? surely this is a bigger issue than bitching about what ever bullshit the guardian published the other day.

 

[butchersapron]

What is this scattergun incoherence. You've shown no interest in anything anyone has said on this thread - yet demand acknowledgement. What arrogant entitlement. Go have your tea.

 

[lucillemara]

So are 'we' - right? So no problem.

do you agree with her that jordan peterson has some interesting things to say? that antifa are a threat to freedom and basically just as bad as nazis? that SJWs are hysterical about rape and #metoo has gone too far? that people with mental illnesses are inherently funny, unserious, disposable? that no one who hasn't been in military combat can have PTSD? that tumblr has any relevance whatsoever to anything? that germaine greer isn't a paedophile racist bigot who wants trans people dead and dismisses rape victims as bitter, irrelevant whiners?

then yes

 

[lucillemara]

yes I do demand acknowledgement of the people hurt by the chauvinist left - the men in leadership positions and their enablers and apologists

 

[butchersapron]

do you agree with her that jordan peterson has some interesting things to say? that antifa are a threat to freedom and basically just as bad as nazis? that SJWs are hysterical about rape and #metoo has gone too far? that people with mental illnesses are inherently funny, unserious, disposable? that no one who hasn't been in military combat can have PTSD? that tumblr has any relevance whatsoever to anything? that germaine greer isn't a paedophile racist bigot who wants trans people dead and dismisses rape victims as bitter, irrelevant whiners?

then yes

Why are you even asking? You already made that choice for every single poster on here when you made your first post.

 

[butchersapron]

yes I do demand acknowledgement of the people hurt by the chauvinist left - the men in leadership positions and their enablers and apologists

Go on then.

 

[lucillemara]

do you accept that serious issues are routinely dismissed as identity politics by leftists? like rape for example?

 

[lucillemara]

not necessarily here before you start. as an example.

 

[butchersapron]

Do you think that all people with criticisms of identity politics are the men in leadership positions of the left and their enablers and apologists?

 

[lucillemara]

no

 

[butchersapron]

do you accept that serious issues are routinely dismissed as identity politics by leftists? like rape for example?

Of course i do. If you'd spent more than few seconds reading either this thread or the ones on the swp rape one or plenty of others you'd see that this is well understood across many/most of those here with serious criticisms of identity politics. Even leftyboys.

 

[butchersapron]

no

Then why have you come on here shouting as if they are?

And on a thread you didn't have the courtesy to read and failed to understand the bits that you did bother with?