Identity Politics: the impasse, the debate, the thread.

[kabbes]

Really, it's true; obsessing over bloodline and authentic ancestry is well reactionary. There's a bit of a phenomenon going on, usure how new it is, of people claiming to be from where their parents (even grandparents) are from, and essentially renouncing the place they themselves are actually from (ie born in)

That was me until I was about 20 though. It’s complicated being a second or third generation immigrant.

 

[mojo pixy]

I feel for those alienated from .. even disgusted with .. their culture, who have nowhere else to go for an identity because all their grandparents were born in the same place they were. I think the extreme right is where many people like this end up.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[killer b]

Jasper has been busy this week, some proper facepalm interventions into the labour antisemitism debate too.

 

[danny la rouge]

They’re self-hating gays?

“The Ku Klux Klan is taking aim at the LGBT community – who they believe should be killed in order to end the HIV/AIDS crisis.

Leaders from the Louisiana chapter of the group have distributed fliers urging people to join their group and slaughter gay people in an effort to “save our land, join the Klan, white power.”

“Stop Aids: Support Gay Bashing,” one of the flyers read. “Homosexual men and their sexual acts are disgusting and inhuman.””

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/13/the-kkk-issues-plea-for-members-to-kill-gay-people/

 

[Athos]

He's been nothing more than a figure of fun, for some time now.

 

[butchersapron]

What did he say?

 

[danny la rouge]

What did he say?

Ah, it’s been deleted.

I didn’t realise Fozzie Bear ’s post wasn’t a screenshot.

Jasper retweeted a pic of a Labour Party LGBTQ group and said it was a night out for the gay KKK.

Wish I’d screenshotted it.

 

[butchersapron]

Ta.

 

[killer b]

Have a look through his twitter, it's an absolute shitshow.

 

[killer b]

He was also putting in some sterling work on the Luciana Berger police escort crisis actor conspiracy. Incredible really.

 

[keybored]

Ah, it’s been deleted.

I didn’t realise Fozzie Bear ’s post wasn’t a screenshot.

Jasper retweeted a pic of a Labour Party LGBTQ group and said it was a night out for the gay KKK.

Wish I’d screenshotted it.

 

[butchersapron]

Labour must be desperate for members or something to allow him in back in.

 

[keybored]

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tRuiMNUV8uQJ:https://twitter.com/LeeJasper/status/1044921910834999297+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

^cached tweet and replies. Tried to post it in last reply but it fucked up.

 

[butchersapron]

I wonder if that press officer role with momentum is a paying gig?

 

[Plumdaff]

On a very cursory look (and I'm not a member of Momentum so there may be pages I'm not privy to) Momentum Black Caucus looks like an independent organisation not formally affiliated to Momentum itself. It looks like Jasper and some familiar South London Labour names.

 

[butchersapron]

So it's possibly a pathetic attempt to muscle in. Same old jasper. That normally involves payment of some sort for him.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Right I will do a screenshot this time, then!

Amazing stuff even by his usual standards:

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There's so much going on here it's hard to know where to start.

Racialise the issue by calling a group of white people the KKK because they are white. Then cry racism when people get pissed off.

Also it was all a joke, haven't you got a sense of humour.

 

[butchersapron]

He'll be back out soon and can go back to saying that he's too black too strong for the labour party.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

What are the next steps here?

I reckon a power move would be setting up a black LGBT organisation in Momentum, or better - demanding that one is created.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

He'll be back out soon and can go back to saying that he's too black too strong for the labour party.

A tearful reunion with Ken Livingstone.

 

[danny la rouge]

There's so much going on here it's hard to know where to start.

Racialise the issue by calling a group of white people the KKK because they are white. Then cry racism when people get pissed off.

Also it was all a joke, haven't you got a sense of humour.

This is what we’re reduced to: competing oppressed groups and competing layers of offence-taking and offence-giving.

Instead of solidarity.

 

[krtek a houby]

This is what we’re reduced to: competing oppressed groups and competing layers of offence-taking and offence-giving.

Instead of solidarity.

Sometimes it's hard not to be offended but yes, solidarity. To my jaded eyes the concept is something of a holy grail but I'd love to see it achieved because the world is becoming more ugly with every passing day.

 

[butchersapron]

This is what we’re reduced to: competing oppressed groups and competing layers of offence-taking and offence-giving.

Instead of solidarity.

Funnily enough the momentum black caucus's (the group jasper is now press officer, and i expect de facto leader for) twitter's last entry was pic of fred hampton next to a quote of his:

You don’t fight fire with fire. You fight fire with water. We’re gonna fight racism with solidarity.

 

[Athos]

Right I will do a screenshot this time, then!

Amazing stuff even by his usual standards:

View attachment 148104

 

[danny la rouge]

Funnily enough the momentum black caucus's (the group jasper is now press officer, and i expect de facto leader for) twitter's last entry was pic of fred hampton next to a quote of his:

You don’t fight fire with fire. You fight fire with water. We’re gonna fight racism with solidarity.

A great quote too.

 

[Pickman's model]

What are the next steps here?

I reckon a power move would be setting up a black LGBT organisation in Momentum, or better - demanding that one is created.

would this be/include politically black?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm surprised he can find enough time away from his work at Black Lives Matter...

 

[Dom Traynor]

Yep the Momentum Black Caucus is not actually affiliated to Momentum, so this is just Jasper trying to clamber on the bandwagon no doubt for opportunitistic reasons. I see Momentum Black Caucus has a "general secretary" an unlikely role within a formal sub organisation - and one held by former TUSC candidate Kingsley Abrams.