times are different though. and so is the labour party.I'm not going to fall out with you over it. I think it's a mistake and one way to guarantee personal defeats - if you start giving it labour propaganda though
Plenty comrades went this way in the early 80s.
Yep, that would be good to hear. This is an experiment and leaving is still very definitely an option. But I can't help it - I have been genuinely impressed with Jeremy Corbyn.Most went onto the anarchist federation and class war after realising they were wasting their time
Some excellent posters on here may take the time to tell why they did after decades of anarchist activity and what they think about it now. Loads on here...speak up!
Times similar i reckon and if the labour party is now different it's worse in a way that makes working in it or any other sort of plans even harder.
Please elucidate mate?
I'm not going to fall out with you over it. I think it's a mistake and one way to guarantee personal defeats - if you start giving it labour propaganda though
Plenty comrades went this way in the early 80s.
There is now no oganised labour movement flexing its muscles, socialising the way w/c people relate to the state and politics and how we can organise ourselves - (and isn't that a lot of the stuff a lot of people rejected in the 80s and 90s?) . So any labour party business is missing that competent and is going to be pretty much be on a short-term lets have a laugh basis. The people who own the labour party have pretty much every organisational path under their control. People just can;'t walk in and taker over - it'seven harder now then the benn 81 stuff and the later 80s deselection battles.
If it's in the week you won't catch me, but geri is fuming at being a labour loyalist for years, during the bad years and yet was banned from voting (and it wasn't even for corbyn) while actual green party members weren't. So bring your ear mufflers, because the next labour person she sees is going to get itForgive me too Brother! and I've signed up for Team Marvin so don't be surprised if I knock your door
I'm aware that this sounds hopelessly naive, so feel free to laugh or pity or despair, but if the leadership (JC) wants to change the structure and the new members want to change the structure, is there not scope for changing the structure? What stands in the way, practically?
Years of experience of bureaucratically blocking any changes, concentrated power in key central and regional areas. Power to funnel any proposed changes though the forms they want -- dragging stuff out for years and watering it down at best. In the early 90s they underwent a serious interrnal re-organistion to pre-emptively stop any such challenges.
But wasn't that only possible because it's what the PLP wanted?
But the boundary changes are going to mean there has to be a reselection process in an awful lot of constituencies. This website appears to show the proposed changes that were going to be made back in the last Parliament (blocked in the end by the Lib Dems). What happens now is likely to be reasonably similar. If you look at, say, Vauxhall and Streatham constituencies you will see they are completely utterly redrawn under the previous proposals and will clearly have to be recontested This gives a once in a generation chance for the left of Labour to shaft Blairite MPs and can happen whether Corbyn and the leadership want it to or not.
It was possible because of all sorts of things -the membershiop massively endorsing it being one of them. The PLP now are even less inclined to allow the centralistion of power in their hands (and their local party catspaws) to be challenged. To me it's just a defeat waiting to happen, but one that will take so many peoples energy for a decade.
exactly. defeat after defeat and now nothing. fuck all. my rate is just over half what it was four years ago. we've been under a massive onslaught and absolutely fuck all we have done has worked. the revolutionary left is pretty fucked. at least this gives us a breathing space.
).Another once in a generation opp.
I do think this is different now, as the membership may well not endorse it. The emboldened bit is something I do worry about, but I don't think I'm the only one of the people I know who've recently joined that don't see this as the only thing to be involved in. This is part of what I can try/do. I do hear you, though.
Let's be clear - I don't think it's a once in a generation chance to achieve utopia. Just to shaft Blairites. Which would be a start.
Yes, it's not like we've seen any changes lately
