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hipipol said:
The current leadership of the Labour party at least are honestly commited to the welfare of the people
Ken jsutb likes the idea of KenSupremo as a world leader/emperor
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Corbyn's wet a plonker. This attack in Paris was his opportunity to stake his place. He shrinked from responsibility. He just wants to go back to his allotment. He's not a bad person, just not a leader in any shape or form.
 
hipipol said:
The current leadership of the Labour party at least are honestly commited to the welfare of the people
Ken jsutb likes the idea of KenSupremo as a world leader/emperor
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Corbyn's wet a plonker. This attack in Paris was his opportunity to stake his place. He shrinked from responsibility. He just wants to go back to his allotment. He's not a bad person, just not a leader in any shape or form.
 
DrRingDing said:
Corbyn's wet a plonker. This attack in Paris was his opportunity to stake his place. He shrinked from responsibility. He just wants to go back to his allotment. He's not a bad person, just not a leader in any shape or form.
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If I needed someone to lead the University Moralist Debating team, he'd be my first choice, mas a front rank, front line leader....he's a stop gap...
sure he is well aware of this..
 
Also, wtf? How hasn't he 'staked his place' on Paris? He's clearly staked his place which - if the polling someone posted above is anything to go by - is actually substantially closer to the British people than either the government, the hawks on his own benches or the press.
 
killer b said:
Also, wtf? How hasn't he 'staked his place' on Paris? He's clearly staked his place which - if the polling someone posted above is anything to go by - is actually substantially closer to the British people than either the government, the hawks on his own benches or the press.
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This was an opportunity to show leadership. He bottled it.
 
killer b said:
How might he have 'shown leadership'? how has he failed? I don't get it.
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As a lefty pacifist he need strong words, a speech, something. Instead he got poked from pillar to post about shooting terrorists. He's behaving like a victim.

Remember that statement Livingston made after the London attacks? He should have learned from that.
 
Campbell was on the radio tonight given his take on mental health - now he's an advocate. What I Would like to know is: was he suffering from depression when he was Tone's best mate and advisor on Iraq or was he just simply deranged?

Speaking of whom. I haven't heard a peep from 'Our Tone' during the recent terrorist attacks?

Hmm...
 
Corbyn's done. He's unlikely to come back from this weak performance. His job isn't just about being correct, he's a leader. That includes leading.
 
DrRingDing said:
As a lefty pacifist he need strong words, a speech, something. Instead he got poked from pillar to post about shooting terrorists. He's behaving like a victim.

Remember that statement Livingston made after the London attacks? He should have learned from that.
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I don't remember the statement Livingstone made after the London attacks, no.

I dunno if you've noticed, but the knives are out for Corbyn - do you really think if he'd nailed a better speech he'd have got more sympathetic coverage? He's a friend of terrorists, an appeaser (so the story goes) - that's the story they were going with, whatever he said.
 
I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.

That isnt an ideology, it isnt even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I?m proud to be the mayor of that city.

Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.

I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.

In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.

They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They dont want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail.
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That is the sort of thing a lefty politician should come out with.

Instead of being prodded for awkward responses to daft questions.
 
Hollande played a blinder too. He knew the right would jump at this opportunity and he outflanked them. Corbyn hid.

I remember him saying some decent sounding words during on the TV debates to that angry fat Sky anchor. He could have done similar. He bottled it.

Stick to yer jam making.
 
hipipol said:
Ken, for all his skills as a leader in London, both the GLC and this incarnation, has absolutely no experience inb world affairs - I cite the example of his "cheap oil deal" with Venezuela as the most obvious example of his lamb to the slaughter lack of experience in this area
War, as clauswitz re-quoted, not sure where from, but still valid, is diplomacy by stronger/other means (before the barrage of corrections arrive I realise that's mangled, but hopefully you will accept the sense remains...)
He really is the wrong man for this
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so who would you suggest Corbo puts in there, bearing in mind the first / most important role is as counterbalance to the pro trident Angela Eagle ?

Despite his occasional daft episodes ( which can obviously be damaging, and need stamping on quick, as JC did yday ) , Kens a wily operator, tough as an old boot, won't fold in the face of the inevitable press vitriol, but does actually compromise ( backslide ) when push comes to shove : ie : good, slippery politician.

None of which will advance the cause of world peace in any meaniginful way, but i just dont see who the more viable options are, in the context of the Corbo programme, such as it is ?
 
DrRingDing said:
Hollande played a blinder too. He knew the right would jump at this opportunity and he outflanked them. Corbyn hid.

I remember him saying some decent sounding words during on the TV debates to that angry fat Sky anchor. He could have done similar. He bottled it.

Stick to yer jam making.
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er - lets see what happens to him after the election. Personally, I think Hollande will get the same kicking he was going to get before the attacks happened.

As for Corbyn, everything he has come out with since the attacks has been sensible - the opposition to "shoot to kill" (which doesn't mean what various MPs and the commentariat have been trying to insist it means), the role that Western policy has played in these attacks and the rise of IS (which even Blair admitted, before such opinions became traitorous), and the questionable nature of further big cuts to the Police in light of the attacks (something which provoked the PM to utter that odd statement about a 500% increase in community policing in London yesterday). The one misstep he made was cancelling his speech due to take place on the day after the attacks, the leaked portions of which were unarguably correct.
 
I attended first ward meeting tonight. Six people there, very welcoming. Ranged from 80 plus to about seventy years of age then down to me. Full constituency meeting next week.
 
Probably not then unless you were the seventh, it used to need 10% of ward members present to be quorate iirc. A lot of the wards only got 2-3 members at meetings when I was last a member 12 years ago.
 
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