two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Minor irrelevances.
All men, along the lines of it's women who are usually told to do stuff to avoid being assaulted.
Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations
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Minor irrelevances.
All men, along the lines of it's women who are usually told to do stuff to avoid being assaulted.
bimble
floofy
The argument simmering on the 'talk' page of that disputed wikipedia entry is quite interesting. Most people seem to be voting against the idea that it should for some reason be deleted from the encylopedia.Let's wait for Violent Panda to give you Wikipedia's phone number so you can ask them yourself.
Talk:Taharrush gamea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's about the size of it.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
It could be simply that Wikipedia has to check the neutrality of the article and is currently assessing that. However,I'm not surprised people are showing concern about the possibility that political correctness may be used to censor a wikipedia page.
bimble
floofy
No, it's not about neutrality it's been proposed for deletion. Disputes about neutrality are good.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't know if more arrests will be made.
What I do know is that Germany's lack of a UK-type "surveillance culture" means that identifying participants in the NYE sexual assaults will be a lot more difficult for the police than it would be here, and will require a lot more footwork and public engagement to solicit stuff like private photos and video footage from the night.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The way these things work in internet is by a page being denounced. Who would denounce a definition?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Considering the amount of videos made with mobiles which show just about every angle of everything newsworthy, it is incredible that nothing has yet appeared.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Given the structure of the German legal system, I suspect it'd be really difficult to legislate, except perhaps as emergency powers.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Not necessarily. . . you might not want to put something like that on the internet. . .
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not really. 80 officers on investigation, about a dozen (at best) of which will be tasked to go over the footage (apparently 350 hours-worth and growing) in real time, and to cross-reference between different recordings. That's easy enough to do with the output of 2 or 3 or half a dozen cameras for a single "person of interest", but gets very complex and messy when you're talking about dozens of sets of output for multiple "persons of interest".
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Looks like something went off in a small town in Holland a few days ago. Not sure when or where though.
Update: Geldermalsen, reported in guardian yesterday. 2000 residents went berserk. Tried to storm council meeting. Police fired warning shots.
Update: Geldermalsen, reported in guardian yesterday. 2000 residents went berserk. Tried to storm council meeting. Police fired warning shots.
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
the french wikipedia deleted my piggate article
You must have quite the French vocabulary.
bimble
floofy
Apparently the two suspects found last week had footage on their phones of the attacks. But standing around filming women being attacked is probably not a criminal offence, so they let them go.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fucking liberals
That's what happens when you have basic federal law. The grundgesetz guarantees certain basic freedoms, and they're incredibly hard to legislate around, so it's probably simpler for the individual lande to declare states of emergency.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Worth bearing in mind that the rural Netherlands are pretty much politically-opposite to the cities, and are where a lot of Wilders' support comes from.
That's the point of it though isn't it? To stop the government legislating away freedoms on a whim. A bit like the US constitution, although they seem to ignore that whenever they like these days.
bimble
floofy
It's probably too late now but if there were even a couple of convictions of the perpetrators it might help calm things down a bit, both the feelings of injustice / coverup and the ripples of these individual mens' actions into an ongoing massive right / left media-political posturing punch up.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's kind of my point - that the only way curfews could be enacted is by state-level states of emergency, because outwith that, there's no legal provision for doing so.
bimble
floofy
What happens in places where there's perceived to be a high chance of women getting assaulted / harassed in public places after dark is that women impose a curfew on themselves. Men's ownership of public space becomes complete after the sun goes down.
That's how things work in many places all over the world and until relatively recently here too. Did 'nice' women walk the streets of London unaccompanied after dark in victorian London? I don't think so.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Nice" women - i.e. middle-classwomen - only ever left the house accompanied.
What happens to women in high-risk areas will vary with the legal terrain. Here, women are encouraged to carry "rape alarms" because more straightforward preventive and/or defensive measures aren't allowed, so no Mace, no batons/ASPs, no knuckle-dusters, just a screecher and/or impromptu chemical defences such as spraying perfume, hairspray or deodorant into the face of an attacker - and risking an assault charge.
coley
Well-Known Member
bimble
floofy
Yep ok. I've never even vaguely considered carrying a weapon, or using hairspray for anything at all .. but probably would if I lived in Cologne and had to go up and down those steps to the central station.
I meant 'nice women' as in not prostitutes, not as in hooped skirts. But anyway was just saying in reference to the bonkers calls for a curfew on men: no need, when things are really bad women sort it out by just not going out after dark unaccompanied ever.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
victim blaming *again*
I was joking by the way, I just thought Thora's suggestion was the right retort to people suggesting that women should alter *their* behaviour.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'd say that while it's better socially to expect people to exercise self-governance, there are always outliers to acceptable social behaviour, and there do need to be sufficient means to deal with that problematic behaviour. If the problematic behaviour is mass behaviour, then there need to be tools to deal with misbehaviour on that scale.
We can do a fair amount of stuff regarding modifying environments to make them less amenable to such behaviour - mass or individual - but "at the end of the day" here in the UK, we're supposed to put our trust in the police service and the goodwill and decency of our fellow members of the public. Sometimes that isn't enough.
bimble
floofy
Phew. Cos it would be kind of boring down the disco if it was always and strictly "ladies' night".
But seriously, what the stupid mayor said about women taking precautions, that is what actually happens I think, it's just that she was an idiot for saying it.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Phew. Cos it would be kind of boring down the disco if it was always and strictly "ladies' night".
Nooooooo, men would be allowed out before the curfew, they just wouldn't be allowed out in groups.
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