Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[bimble]

What the fuck is "safe enough"? By what degree does a greatly enhanced level of serious threat differ from the standard serious threat? Are you saying that there was some kind of acceptable threat level prior to the blow-up in the Middle East, and that only the migrant issue has pushed things over that level?

Are you looking for a number? Like you want him to show somehow that it's 27% or its 63% less safe for a woman to walk around Cologne alone at night now than it was back in 2013 or something? That seems a bit silly. But yeah, I'd say 'safe enough' is how I feel, when walking home down Coldharbour lane at night, I'm alert but not afraid. Don't think I'd feel that way if I used Cologne central station, or lived in Delhi etc etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are you looking for a number? Like you want him to show somehow that it's 27% or its 63% less safe for a woman to walk around Cologne alone at night now than it was back in 2013 or something? That seems a bit silly. But yeah, I'd say 'safe enough' is how I feel, when walking home down Coldharbour lane at night, I'm alert but not afraid. Don't think I'd feel that way if I used Cologne central station, or lived in Delhi etc etc.

And thank you, too,for putting words in my mouth.
I'm not looking for a number, I'm looking for an acknowledgement by him that "safe" is entirely *relative, rather than his simplistic original formulation.

*It's relative because there's an awful lot more than just male ill-intent that informs feelings of safety.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

there's an awful lot more than just male ill-intent that informs feelings of safety.

Such as?

 

[bimble]

Police chief telling them not to go out alone.

Thought you might have got that wrong but nope, that's exactly what the chief of police in Vienna said a couple of weeks ago: “Women should in general not go out on the streets at night alone, they should avoid suspicious looking areas .."

 

[Pickman's model]

Thought you might have got that wrong but nope, that's exactly what the chief of police in Vienna said a couple of weeks ago: “Women should in general not go out on the streets at night alone, they should avoid suspicious looking areas .."

he's encouraging the formation of women's militias, going round mob-handed dealing out class justice

 

[butchersapron]

Thought you might have got that wrong but nope, that's exactly what the chief of police in Vienna said a couple of weeks ago: “Women should in general not go out on the streets at night alone, they should avoid suspicious looking areas .."

Is this pretty much the same as saying:

Germany isn't safe for women any more

 

[bimble]

Is this pretty much the same as saying: 'Germany isn't safe for women any more'

I think it's marginally stupider than that, even. Because it's actually a piece of 'advice', from the Chief of Police .

 

[ViolentPanda]

Such as?

Such as the built environment; the state of policing; likelihood of public intercession; societal norms of behaviour. All the shite you learn in A level sociology, apparently.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thought you might have got that wrong but nope, that's exactly what the chief of police in Vienna said a couple of weeks ago: “Women should in general not go out on the streets at night alone, they should avoid suspicious looking areas .."

Frankly, given gruesome regularity with which rape-murders seem to happen in Austria, I can see why the patronising old cunt would say that, even though I don't agree with him saying it - putting the onus on women misses the fucking point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

he's encouraging the formation of women's militias, going round mob-handed dealing out class justice

Do they do "class justice" in Austria?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do they do "class justice" in Austria?

only of the wrong sort atm

 

[hot air baboon]

Debunked: the Zionist and Islamophobic libel of a "rape epidemic" by Muslims in Norway

Do the sources stand up?

They provide the police report in Norwegian and English, so you can verify whether it says what the racist loon sources say that it says or not.

You can also go look for other corroboration and verify their sources.

...it seemed fairly legit when I posted about it about 100 pages ago... or is this a different one...

- Innvandrere bak alle anmeldte overfallsvoldtekter i Oslo

The swimming pool panic seems to be quite widespread (Belgium, two baths in Germany & this swedish story). It's only Swedes who have responded with undercover police....

...how do you hide a truncheon in a pair of speedos...?

 

[bimble]

...it seemed fairly legit when I posted about it about 100 pages ago... or is this a different one...

You'll see what was wrong with that claim if you read back a bit.
Short version goes like this I think: The statistics apply only to stranger on the street rapes, the vast majority of rape in Oslo happens indoors and is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, someone Norwegian etc.

 

[butchersapron]

For those of you not here in the great 'sexual jihad' war around 2010, have a little search for this past bollocks. That it has re-appeared under his guise of concern for women is one of the most demoralising things i've ever seen on here.

 

[bimble]

For those of you not here in the great 'sexual jihad' war around 2010, have a little search for this past bollocks. That is has re-appeared under his guise of concern for women is one of the most demoralising things i've ever seen on here.

I don't know if you've been reading the thread but what is it that you find demoralising? Is it somehow bad to want to talk about this at all? Is my 'concern for women' and my anger at a mass sexual assault with now over 800 reported victims in one night in one place a shoddy disguise for my Islamophobia or something? Bollocks to that. Far as I've seen only one person here (who appeared briefly) has tried to sell Islam as an explanation for the attacks.

 

[BigTom]

...it seemed fairly legit when I posted about it about 100 pages ago... or is this a different one...

- Innvandrere bak alle anmeldte overfallsvoldtekter i Oslo




...how do you hide a truncheon in a pair of speedos...?

The bits I posted related to stats from 2010 only so it's not exactly the same but similar story (and I think where the 5 years thing will have come from). This one also limits to "assault rapes" like the 2010 one and so is disregarding probably the vast majority of rapes (based on the more detailed stats I posted from 2010). That only migrants did this type of rape, whilst norwegians raped in different circumstances is maybe interesting and worth investigating but it also seems obvious that migrant and norwegian rapists are likely to have different opportunities to rape women which could explain it quite simply. I'm not sure that it's particularly relevant to the events of NYE anyway as it seems like it was one on one rapes in 2010 rather than any kind of group/mass activity.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know if you've been reading the thread but what is it that you find demoralising? Is it somehow bad to want to talk about this at all? Is my 'concern for women' a shoddy disguise for my Islamophobia or something? Bollocks to that. Far as I've seen only one person here (who appeared briefly) has tried to sell Islam as an explanation for the attacks.

I just said one thing that i find demoralising. (In fact i did two but you seemed to miss one).

 

[bimble]

I just said one thing that i find demoralising. (In fact i did two but you seemed to miss one).

I found this, from 2011..

Forum search "sexual jihad" (if you can be arsed to read pages and pages of -worthy dreck.

But yes, one of the worst things that's come out of this has been people like this man posturing as a defender of women's rights all of a sudden. Wilders: Migrant men are 'Islamic testosterone bombs'

 

[BigTom]

I found this, from 2011..

Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

This thread I reckon, from 2011.

 

[irf520]

I found this, from 2011..


But yes, one of the worst things that's come out of this has been people like this man posturing as a defender of women's rights all of a sudden. Wilders: Migrant men are 'Islamic testosterone bombs'

The 'complementary' viewpoint to that:

 

[bimble]

oh god, who is that woman? 'the vacuum that feminism has created".. What is she suggesting? I think she's a Soldier of Odin.

 

[irf520]

oh god, who is that woman? 'the vacuum that feminism has created".. What is she suggesting? I think she's a Soldier of Odin.

She just needs a horned helmet ...

 

[bimble]

Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

This thread I reckon, from 2011.

Yes. The similarities in the mood of the thread, at least in its early stages, are spooky.
Eg)

 

[Bernie Gunther]

You'll see what was wrong with that claim if you read back a bit.
Short version goes like this I think: The statistics apply only to stranger on the street rapes, the vast majority of rape in Oslo happens indoors and is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, someone Norwegian etc.

Also the assault rape samples in which there is a preponderance of non-White suspects are tiny, to the point of being skewed by one guy committing several of them.

That little bit of truth then gets decontextualised, sensationalised by the regular media and spun to fuck on the racist loon circuit as a 'Muslim rape epidemic' and finally spread all over social media by propaganda campaign prior to NYE and further by the media fenzy that followed.

 

[bimble]

Also the assault rape samples in which there is a preponderance of non-White suspects are tiny, to the point of being skewed by one guy committing several of them.

That little bit of truth then gets decontextualised, sensationalised by the regular media and spun to fuck on the racist loon circuit and finally spread all over social media by the propaganda campaign around NYE ...

Absolutely, but that's what rabid xenophones will do. I agree that Oslo story is a great example of how far right media will take what is almost a non-story and run with it. But Cologne?
What do you think about the fact that the only people publishing the latest figures from the Cologne Police (which state that over 800 sexual assaults have now been reported to police from that night ) that the sources for that are .. not on the left of the spectrum. It's The DM, telegraph, bloody Breitbart etc. But they are citing police in Cologne: They're not making that number up. Guardian hasn't touched the topic for 2 weeks, the socialist news says nothing out of the ordinary happened here.

 

[butchersapron]

Absolutely, but that's what rabid xenophones will do. I agree that Oslo story is a great example of how far right media will take what is almost a non-story and run with it. But Cologne?
What do you think about the fact that the only people publishing the latest figures from the Cologne Police , which state that over 800 sexual assaults have been reported now from that night, that the sources for that are .. not on the left of the spectrum. It's The DM, Breitbart etc. But they are citing police in Cologne they're not making that number up. Guardian hasn't touched the topic for 2 weeks, the socialist news says nothing out of the ordinary happened here.

Hang on, rabid xenophobes who suggest no german women are safe and rely on the above racist shit that you've pulled up above don't seem to be getting the same inquisition about their motives and what they say from you. In fact, it's just what they do. yet you've been rather supportive of this poster and their claims all through this thread.

What is the socialist news btw?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I think you won't find many takers around here for a claim based on the Guardian being a "left" source.

I mean I guess it is if you're in ukip or something but ...

 

[bimble]

Hang on, rabid xenophobes who suggest no german women are safe and rely on the above racist shit that you've pulled up above don't seem to be getting the same inquisition about their motives and what they say from you. In fact, it's just what they do. yet you've been rather supportive of this poster and their claims all through this thread.

What is the socialist news btw?

Ah, the thread becomes all about CR again? I hate it that he has been the one standing here shouting loudest about 'women's rights', but it's been kind of lonely here and he's been stoic in the face of many well-meaning attempts to claim that this is actually some sort of non-story, something concocted by the far right, that it's just what happens at drunken celebrations , that we have to wait and see if the police arrest more than one person before we can speak about this or whatever.

The socialist news is .. this thing: New Year’s Eve in Cologne, Germany: Growing inconsistencies - World Socialist Web Site

 

[butchersapron]

Absolutely, but that's what rabid xenophones will do. I agree that Oslo story is a great example of how far right media will take what is almost a non-story and run with it. But Cologne?
What do you think about the fact that the only people publishing the latest figures from the Cologne Police (which state that over 800 sexual assaults have now been reported to police from that night ) that the sources for that are .. not on the left of the spectrum. It's The DM, telegraph, bloody Breitbart etc. But they are citing police in Cologne: They're not making that number up. Guardian hasn't touched the topic for 2 weeks, the socialist news says nothing out of the ordinary happened here.

Where do they cite the Cologne police saying this? 800 figure?

 

[bimble]

I think you won't find many takers around here for a claim based on the Guardian being a "left" source.

I mean I guess it is if you're in ukip or something but ...

Will you try to answer my question? Because you seem very hot on the subject of the media using these events: Why is it that only the right wing are willing to even publish the numbers?