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Starry Wisdom
yeh a lack of both wisdom and compassion i thought
Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations
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Well Anudder above has given another scenario which I hadn't thought of.
Anyway - it's all conjecture at the moment for me so I'll just wait and see what happens.
The victims should be "compensated" if that is possible with social health care and fiscally. I also feel comparatively sorry for some of the boyfriends as well. That must be pretty emasculating.
The perps should be dealt with extremely harshly in my uneducated opinion.
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Forgive me but I sense you're a goodhearted person, who is defending the idea of migrants being blamed unfairly, that is a noble endeavour to defend a group that doesn't have much of a voice. I would really like to persuade you to the idea of being far tougher and more aware of danger.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
In all honesty my ...personal...advice to a female relative or acquaintance would be simply to get the fuck out of the area ASAP , because nothing short of a tactical riot squad could offer any protection against a mob that size .
The mayors advice...to keep an arms length distance..from mobs surrounding people, hunting them, cornering them..adds only insult to injury .
coley
Well-Known Member
Yon spokesperson " alternative Germany" was really milking it, utter twat!
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I was in Berlin on new years eve for fucks sake, and even I was lobbing fireworks like a madman . Even people in the apartments overlooking the street were firing them out the windows. Not once did I feel even remotely intimidated . That was very different . My only worry was quite a few of them were landing under parked cars and there'd be a fire , not that I really gave a toss .
Even the Germans were intimidated by it in cologne which was why the cops originally moved in .
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
One of the articles below must be wrong, right?
This one (published a couple of hours ago, has the police chief saying “We don’t currently have any suspects, so we don’t know who the perpetrators were. .”
[ Officials warn against linking police search for 1,000 men after mass sexual assault to refugees ]
But 2 days ago, this one said “ the police have also insisted that many of the men had been known to them for some time and that they were not a group of newly-arrived refugees."
Cover-up claim over NYE mass sexual assaults
It looks to me like political pressure is being applied and the media is now being more efficiently managed. And I'd look to the fucking mayors office on that one .
trashpony
Hag
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
The 1000 plus refers to the attackers and their accomplices , those who stood alongside them and shielded them. Giving them safety in numbers allowing them to control that space and do as they pleased . And not once tried to stop them or defend a single one of their terrified and humiliated victims. And as we speak continue to shield the molesters and rapists with their silence . The 1000 plus refers to the size of the gang responsible , with varying degrees of responsibility in this common enterprise . 1000 plus scumbags who are all culpable to one degree or another .
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elbows
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Oh I'm so glad you got to observe all of the nights events so that you could speak with confidence about what did or did not happen.
It is certainly important to understand crowd-related phenomenon when it comes to incidents like these. But thats not the same as leaping to conclusions and making stuff up.
I believe you made a comparison to Tahrir square earlier in the thread, but I doubt you could get away so easily with the claim that all those present in Tahrir were culpable to one degree or another.
bimble
floofy
In the Guardian this morning, whether on purpose or by design i don't know, the same connection is suggested: just next to the article on Cologne is a link to horrific reports of the mass sexual violence in Tahrir Square in summer 2013.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Several parallels already exist. Others may show up if we actually come to learn more about the perpetrators in Germany, or maybe not.
There are disturbing crowd phenomenon to be discussed here but I really don't think the '1000 perpetrators' helps at all, in fact it distracts from better understanding. Especially as reports indicate that many of the attacks occurred after police broke up the monolithic group at the station.
bimble
floofy
I haven't a clue, and my perspective on this story is surely warped by the fact that this (what the victims have been describing) is pretty much my worst fear / nightmare. I'm scared of any dense crowd and cross the street to avoid groups of men whenever possible, so it's true that I'm probably jumping to the worst conclusions - like imagining that nobody tried to help them etc, when there's no real reason to think that as we don't know.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No, I don't believe it's right. What I saw of Eritrea was a sexually conservative society where that sort of behavior would be deeply censured. Things may have changed since I was there, but not (IMO) to the point where that sort of thing would be considered normal or acceptable.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that is, split them into smaller perhaps more mobile groups without dealing with the consequences of their (police) actions.
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Starry Wisdom
caught in a landslide - no escape from reality?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Whatever happens in terms of catching perpetrators, I think the story of numerous police failings should run and run, albeit not necessarily quite so much in the international press.
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Starry Wisdom
we in the uk have our own numerous police failings to chat about without needing foreign ones to distract us
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia:
"What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women."
No, it fucking isn't.
The fact that so many officials are so obviously more concerned about the fact that anti-immigrant sentiment might increase following reports of a mob numbering a thousand in one area and many hundreds in others assaulted over a hundred women and raped undoubtedly more than was reported than they are about the fact that this mob EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE ironically enough is going to convince even more otherwise decent people that maybe there is something in the whole racism and anti-immigration thing.
Really?
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
that mayor who said women need a code of conduct should resign immediately.
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