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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Watchman said:
Just been reading these threads and thought this link might be helpful.
http://newsconfidential.com/FS/FS_Story.php?RequestID=32920
Details are accurate. I know, because I’ve been following this case from the beginning.
My interest? Tim Sharp was my nephew.
The recent Savile revelations make various links, that until now have been tenuous, most interesting. -
Nicholas Hoogstraten had connections with several places and locations that are currently coming to light. It’s generally believed that he ordered the arson attack in Hove to cover up some dodgy aspects of his life and activities. At the coroners hearing, several of my family and the families of the victims were intimidated and feared for their safety.
(I’m choosing my words with care)
As an aside, I did some maintenance work at the Bryn Estyn home in Wrexham and its involvement was no surprise to me.
There are more revelations to come, I’m sure.
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Hi - thanks for joining and posting. Unfortunately your link seems to be broken, so I'm not sure what the story is that you were wanting to link to.
 
kenny g said:
According to the Nick Davis's article Lord A's son was 25 in 1979 - giving a year of birth as 1954. The one Lord who looked a suitable candidate has sons born far later than that.
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Prole said:
BBC - Historic Marchwiel Hall on the market for £2.5m
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http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/reviews/v...rmaName=marchbrook-leisure&companyId=13642408

http://thepeerage.com/p50219.htm

…..and so the extravaganza
occurred at Lakeside Lodge
with a large contingent of
folk wishing his Lordship a
very Happy Birthday. Food,
booze and banter were the
order of the day with Jimmy Savile lookalike
Tony Murphy spinning the discs. Simon Hill
and his entourage of kids, a couple of foreign
blokes and a strange Scotsman called Brian
made up the majority. The
usual suspects included
DM and myself with
Blooter Hill (pic rt) leading the way with gin, fags
and chicken liver pate. The
feeling was like the old days except we are all
older and certainly no wiser. Slainte Vha !!!!
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Travelogue 87

ETA: looks like it is a different Lord.
 
:hmm: at this story from February 2008

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bank-job-that-opened-the-door-on-a-royal-293740

He gives a fascinating insight into the raid that netted £500,000 from 268 safety deposit boxes - worth about £5million today.
Despite massive interest in the crime, details about the loot and the criminals responsible were immediately suppressed by MI5 and senior government officials.
Speculation quickly arose that compromising sexual photographs of the Queen's sister, the late Princess Margaret, had been uncovered in the bank vault. It was rumoured they had been stashed away by well-known underworld figure Michael X. A drug dealer and Black Power leader, he was convicted of murder and hanged in Trinidad in 1975. A government file on him will remain closed until 2054.
The Mirror can for the first time reveal that Fleet Street editors of the day were approached directly by senior government officials and told to drop the story.
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Now, one of the men, in his 70s, has spoken to the Mirror from his home in Europe. The ex-gang member said he was terrified to discover one box belonged to the-then head of the judiciary.
He said: "It was owned by Quintin Hogg, the Lord Chancellor.
When we opened it we dropped it on the floor like it was a time bomb. We didn't want to take anything that might give us extra trouble so we left it. All we wanted was cash and jewels."
But the gang didn't have time to go through all of the stash and ended up taking some sensitive material.
The ex-raider, who refused to be identified, said last night: "When we got out we realised we had a lot more than we'd bargained for."
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But when we asked the ex-raider he refused to deny the rumours. He said: "I can't talk about that. But we did find a lot of guns.
And what was most disturbing was the child pornography we found.
We were disgusted and left it in their open boxes so police could trace the owners."
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edited to say that you should probably read the full article since the quotes I've chosen might create the wrong impression about box ownership.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Works for me

http://newsconfidential.com/FS/FS_Story.php?RequestID=32920

eta: Thanks for sharing your story Watchman. Sorry to hear one of your relatives was a victim. :(
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oh, that's odd, it's working for me as well now.

I think I read that article a few weeks back, but wasn't entirely sure of its credibility.

Assuming Watchman is who he says he is*, then I'd now have to view the allegations and entire article as very credible.



*no offence Watchman, but the interweb can be an odd place where people sometimes do show up assuming entirely false personas, so it's usually best to keep a healthy degree of scepticism. I'm working on the assumption that you're exactly who you say you are.
 
Well done. I know some people are pissed off the only the dead are being named at this point, but I think its still useful. Just because they are dead doesnt mean they arent an important part of establishing the truth. And as this thread demonstrates there are a fair number of confusing articles and some uncertainty about who is who and how many different politicians, lords etc are being referred to. So its good to have loose ends tidied up.

Someone seems to think the Times named that dead son today, at least in their print edition. I cant confirm this.
 
Has anyone got any idea what the story is with Messham and RyanTanner on Twitter besides what RT's already stating publicly?
 
* A man who bears the same surname as a prominent Conservative supporter. Two witnesses have told the tribunal of a rich and powerful man who belonged to the alleged ring.

* The son of an influential peer who admitted to police that he had been having sex with an under-aged boy from one of the homes. Despite his admission, he was never prosecuted.

* A powerful public official who has previously been cleared of abuse. Six different witnesses have given separate accounts to the tribunal of his alleged rape of young boys. Another has reported him attending parties in Wrexham which were supplied with boys from a children’s home.

Nick Davies — Secrecy imposed on the exposure of alleged child abuse – news and feature
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So the 2nd is Kenyon, one of the others is Morrison and the 3rd?
 
little_legs said:
That link DJ Squelch provided re Lord Kenyon's pressure on the cops is corroborated by this Indy article. An article published a day earlier alludes to an accused ex-cop that I suspect Kenyon was shielding from giving the evidence.

Also ... it occured to me tonight that fucking hell, I live on the Paedo British Isles.
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The ex cop, cleared of charges might well have been Gordon Anglesea. His name shows up in Google (Rebecca TV has a youtube video about this ive not had time to watch, so cant verify if its worth looking at) plenty of times in relation to the charges, but going with the Freemason line for a minute...

http://www.rebeccatelevision.com/articles/mason_free_01
 
free spirit said:
oh, that's odd, it's working for me as well now.

I think I read that article a few weeks back, but wasn't entirely sure of its credibility.

Assuming Watchman is who he says he is*, then I'd now have to view the allegations and entire article as very credible.



*no offence Watchman, but the interweb can be an odd place where people sometimes do show up assuming entirely false personas, so it's usually best to keep a healthy degree of scepticism. I'm working on the assumption that you're exactly who you say you are.
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Yes, the story is credible and accurate and I am who I say I am. I wanted to post the link to the reports in the Hove Argus newspaper but have lost the link. Dig a little deeper into some of the details and characters if you wish. Every time my family tries to move on, another connection is made and my file grows fatter as the years pass. If i find the original link, I'll post it.
 
Watchman said:
Yes, the story is credible and accurate and I am who I say I am. I wanted to post the link to the reports in the Hove Argus newspaper but have lost the link. Dig a little deeper into some of the details and characters if you wish. Every time my family tries to move on, another connection is made and my file grows fatter as the years pass. If i find the original link, I'll post it.
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Welcome to the board. Im sure people will be more than happy to help on here if we can in any way.
 
Watchman said:
Yes, the story is credible and accurate and I am who I say I am. I wanted to post the link to the reports in the Hove Argus newspaper but have lost the link. Dig a little deeper into some of the details and characters if you wish. Every time my family tries to move on, another connection is made and my file grows fatter as the years pass. If i find the original link, I'll post it.
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I have this link:
http://www.theargus.co.uk/archive/2002/07/29/Brighton+Hove+Archive/5127732.Bid_to_reopen_fire_probe/
Unfortunately, the original Argus article is no longer in archive
 
Ive started work on a flowchart (or Infographic as i think the new term for these things is!) to try and link all of this together in a coherent fashion.
 
Just to repeat as per the linked article - Kenyon the alleged abuser died of AIDS. Did the report look into those he had had sex with, and/or offer organisations who could provide testing etc.?
 
HI Watchman and my deepest condolences to you and your family. We can only keep demanding the truth and justice for all the victims of this sick twisted cover-up.

Do you know if it is correct that John Allen set Lee & his brother up in the flat in Brighton as is maintained in this documentary: Bryn Alyn HTV Documentary PART 1 - YouTube

Would that suggest that Allen and Van Hoogstraten were linked?

This article claims that new evidence would lead to Sussex police re-opening the investigation - now that the N Wales child abuse cover-up is being 'investigated' will you be asking for this to be included?

Families demand new probe into deaths at Hoogstraten flat | UK news | The Observer
 
Prole said:
HI Watchman and my deepest condolences to you and your family. We can only keep demanding the truth and justice for all the victims of this sick twisted cover-up.

Do you know if it is correct that John Allen set Lee & his brother up in the flat in Brighton as is maintained in this documentary: Bryn Alyn HTV Documentary PART 1 - YouTube

Would that suggest that Allen and Van Hoogstraten were linked?

This article claims that new evidence would lead to Sussex police re-opening the investigation - now that the N Wales child abuse cover-up is being 'investigated' will you be asking for this to be included?

Families demand new probe into deaths at Hoogstraten flat | UK news | The Observer
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Prole said:
HI Watchman and my deepest condolences to you and your family. We can only keep demanding the truth and justice for all the victims of this sick twisted cover-up.

Do you know if it is correct that John Allen set Lee & his brother up in the flat in Brighton as is maintained in this documentary: Bryn Alyn HTV Documentary PART 1 - YouTube

Would that suggest that Allen and Van Hoogstraten were linked?

This article claims that new evidence would lead to Sussex police re-opening the investigation - now that the N Wales child abuse cover-up is being 'investigated' will you be asking for this to be included?

Families demand new probe into deaths at Hoogstraten flat | UK news | The Observer
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Accuracy is a little wanting.. Tim’s father was named Geoff, actually. He died over a year ago now.
We shall have to have a family meeting concerning a reopening of the case.
Most of the victim’s families are unlikely to want this dragged up again and one never knows if the earlier threats would still be carried out. It’s a dangerous game when nobody really knows how high up this goes, not helped by the Masonic connections, of course.

I have no information about John Allen and Lee I’m afraid. Will look at the video though.


 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-inquiry-whitewash-judge-said-1424184

Paedophile inquiry 'whitewash': Judge said Tory child sex abuse claims were “best forgotten”, claims former government lawyer

8 Nov 2012 00:00
He said the judge who headed an inquiry thought the shock accusations were “too sensitive” to be made public
Child sex abuse claims against a top Tory were “credible” but not investigated properly, a former government lawyer revealed yesterday.
Christopher Allen said the judge who headed an inquiry into the North Wales children’s homes scandal thought the shock accusations were “too sensitive” to be made public and “best forgotten”.
Mr Allen said the judge, Sir Ronald Waterhouse, reckoned a victim was exaggerating to increase his compensation.
Mr Allen, one of five lawyers on the inquiry in 1996, said: “I felt the allegations were credible.
"I would have loved to have seen him (the Tory) pursued because there has got to be something behind the allegations.”
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