How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[happie chappie]

IMHO we’re approaching a tipping point where a cover-up will be all but impossible. There are too many survivors willing to come forward, too much media interest, and at least one politician prepared to name names under Parliamentary Privilege.

The name of the senior (living) Tory politician is well known and is all over the internet. He was named in Scallywag almost 20 years ago, but didn’t sue. We are edging closer and closer to it being placed into the public domain.

The floodgates are about to open and the sordid truth will start to emerge. Perhaps not all of it - but enough to cause major repercussions.

Many abusers must be shitting themselves and I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more take the “bottle of whiskey and the pearl-handled revolver” way out.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Accuracy is a little wanting.. Tim’s father was named Geoff, actually. He died over a year ago now.
We shall have to have a family meeting concerning a reopening of the case.
Most of the victim’s families are unlikely to want this dragged up again and one never knows if the earlier threats would still be carried out. It’s a dangerous game when nobody really knows how high up this goes, not helped by the Masonic connections, of course.

I have no information about John Allen and Lee I’m afraid. Will look at the video though.

If I can ask, what sort of threats did people receive and in what form?

 

[where to]

Schofield has just asked Cameron on this on ITV. Apparently handed him a list of tory paedos named on net. Cam squirming. Names, apparently , could just be seen on screen (apparently by mistake, ahem.) according to Guido fawkes.

Matthew Wright / John Leslie moment.

That might be it.

 

[sunny jim]

Theresa May has banned a US investigative reporter from the UK who was following leads on the Tory paedophile ring and its connection to Jersey

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/...eresa-may-barred-a-us-journalist-from-the-uk/

 

[bi0boy]

http://order-order.com/2012/11/08/b...dentatlly-revealed-tory-paedo-list-on-screen/

Should be on ITV+1 shortly

 

[elbows]

The name of the senior (living) Tory politician is well known and is all over the internet. He was named in Scallywag almost 20 years ago, but didn’t sue. We are edging closer and closer to it being placed into the public domain..

The only problem with that particular avenue is that there is a mistaken identity/wrong family member angle which is not completely implausible. However attempts to get to the bottom of this are also complicated. Many people on the net who are looking at another possibility seem to be guessing based on little more than location, I'm looking at another possibility which admittedly is also based on location, but its been complicated even further by that Times article which gives a different first name to any of these.

Much as I am extremely keen for truth to emerge, I am disturbed by the willingness of many to make too many assumptions, I dont like the idea of innocent people being falsely accused. People should explore this stuff, but as with conspiracy theories I dont like to see possibilities turned into 'facts' just because people seem to prefer certainty.

However I suppose one way that people may be compelled to reveal the truth is if the false accusations cause more harm than the truth, compelling them to set the record straight.

 

[cesare]

Theresa May has banned a US investigative reporter who was following leads on the Tory paedophile ring and its connection to Jersey

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/...eresa-may-barred-a-us-journalist-from-the-uk/

She's been banned for ages now, hasn't she?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Phil Schofield - that came out of nowhere. Hero! lol

 

[sunny jim]

She's been banned for ages now, hasn't she?

For nearly one year.

 

[cesare]

Didn't Schofield give Starr a bit of a grilling earlier in the week too? Until Starr pointed out an occasion when Schofield swore blind he'd never met someone and it later transpired that he had, and had forgotten

 

[Watchman]

If I can ask, what sort of threats did people receive and in what form?

Hi BM..
Well, as it was common knowledge that Hoogstraten was involved, albeit from a safe distance, it was 'suggested' by sundry burly scallywags that something unfortunate may occur, should the coroner and families dig too deep. It is the general view that the coroner was 'got at' in some way but this would be difficult to prove.
If you've not already done so, check out Mr Hoogstraten and his connections. You may find it most interesting.
His attitudes to ramblers, or 'scum' as he referred to them, give a little insight.
Apologies if I'm reluctant to elaborate on some aspects of these matters for reasons mentioned previously, but I'm sure you'll understand...Plus I've become rather attached to my kneecaps!

 

[Barking_Mad]

Q: Here's a piece of paper with some names. Will you speak to these three people?
Cameron says this is what he's worried about. He does not want there to be a witch hunt against gay people.

eh?!

 

[where to]

Didn't Schofield give Starr a bit of a grilling earlier in the week too?

Very much so.

 

[DotCommunist]

eh?!

because of age of consent changes whatwould have been sex with an underage boy then is not now. Homophobic smearing etc.

Although from what I've read the victims were in care homes so its under 16s anyway?

 

[Wilf]

Schofield has just asked Cameron on this on ITV. Apparently handed him a list of tory paedos named on net. Cam squirming. Names, apparently , could just be seen on screen (apparently by mistake, ahem.) according to Guido fawkes.

Matthew Wright / John Leslie moment.

That might be it.

I always thought it would be Gordon the Gopher who made it big as a whistle blower. How wrong we were - it's always the quiet ones.

 

[happie chappie]

The only problem with that particular avenue is that there is a mistaken identity/wrong family member angle which is not completely implausible. However attempts to get to the bottom of this are also complicated. Many people on the net who are looking at another possibility seem to be guessing based on little more than location, I'm looking at another possibility which admittedly is also based on location, but its been complicated even further by that Times article which gives a different first name to any of these.

Much as I am extremely keen for truth to emerge, I am disturbed by the willingness of many to make too many assumptions, I dont like the idea of innocent people being falsely accused. People should explore this stuff, but as with conspiracy theories I dont like to see possibilities turned into 'facts' just because people seem to prefer certainty.

However I suppose one way that people may be compelled to reveal the truth is if the false accusations cause more harm than the truth, compelling them to set the record straight.

I tend to agree although with anything of this nature I suspect there will be at least some false accusations. It’s almost inevitable. That’s not to denigrate the survivors in any way. It’s just a fact of life.

The Scallywag article was based on more than just location and covered four full, closely-typed pages. I quickly skimmed through it again last night. It links him (and many others) to a paedophile ring in North Wales and claimed it had documentary and sworn witness evidence. It also mentions the allegations made by Steve Messham and others. There is now a consistent pattern of the same names (accusers and accused) coming up time and again.

This was 20 years ago and not one sued.

Anyway, have to pop out now.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Hi BM..
Well, as it was common knowledge that Hoogstraten was involved, albeit from a safe distance, it was 'suggested' by sundry burly scallywags that something unfortunate may occur, should the coroner and families dig too deep. It is the general view that the coroner was 'got at' in some way but this would be difficult to prove.
If you've not already done so, check out Mr Hoogstraten and his connections. You may find it most interesting.
His attitudes to ramblers, or 'scum' as he referred to them, give a little insight.
Apologies if I'm reluctant to elaborate on some aspects of these matters for reasons mentioned previously, but I'm sure you'll understand...Plus I've become rather attached to my kneecaps!

Hi, thanks that's more than answerd it

 

[elbows]

The Scallywag article was based on more than just location and covered four full, closely-typed pages. I quickly skimmed through it again last night. It links him (and many others) to a paedophile ring in North Wales and claimed it had documentary and sworn witness evidence. It also mentions the allegations made by Steve Messham and others. There is now a consistent pattern of the same names (accusers and accused) coming up time and again.

This was 20 years ago and not one sued.

Yes, my comments about location are only about speculation in recent days, not the historical allegations.

Although few of us here have seen the original Scallywag articles, the detail you mention there is known via stuff Simon Regan wrote on the internet some years later. What we need is some journalists to find some of the people Regan spoke to, other than the people that have already been talking to the press gain recently.

As for them not being sued at the time, I cant take that as evidence of much at this point. Not that many people in the country would have read the original Scallywag article, and no other publications went with it, so to sue would only have drawn attention to the story. Plus it seems that Scallywag relied on having no money in order to reduce the risk of anyone bothering to sue them.

 

[Prole]

Philip Schofield Accidentally Reveals Tory Paedo List on Screen - YouTube

 

[Woollyredhat]

Another interesting angle on this whole story, which was also investigated by Scallywag magazine was the Stephen Milligan aspect involving a footballer and two cabiinent ministers. In the story Scallywag claims that Mr. MIlligan was approached by security services who initiated him to warn the footballer to keep quiet on a story he was trying to give to the papers back in the 90s, which implicated two cabinet ministers in something which the security services did not want to come out. The story goes Milligan threatened to go to The Sunday Times after he failed to silence the footballer, and the Security Services then told him the footballer would have to be "eliminated." Milligan later died, his death recorded as accidental asphyxiation from a sex act. At the time of reporting the incident, try as they may, there was no indication that pointed to any sort of interest by Milligan in explicit sex acts that had killed him. The full story, which is certainly fascinating can be found online, shouldn't be hard to find.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Phil Schofield - that came out of nowhere. Hero! lol

Actually i take that back - as frustrating as it is not getting any answers, this might prejudice a trial, which isnt good.

 

[Barking_Mad]

*adds Philip Schofield to his flowchart*

Weird.

 

[elbows]

Another interesting angle on this whole story, which was also investigated by Scallywag magazine was the Stephen Milligan aspect involving a footballer and two cabiinent ministers.

I've seen a front page story from the time where the footballer claimed to know stuff that may be of use to the Milligan death investigation. But it was then reported that the police were unimpressed when they questioned him, they said he knew nothing and was wasting their time. The reputation of the footballer was then sullied in the press, suggesting he was originally touting stories about gay MPs to the press simply because he was interested in making lots of money.

This leaves us none the wiser, as its impossible for me to judge whether this was a dodgy smear, or whether the footballer was indeed just after money, or a combination of all of the above. Either way the footballer is dead.

Cameron wasnt wrong to mention the gay witchhunt aspect, but this too can also be used to bury other stuff.

 

[elbows]

*adds Philip Schofield to his flowchart*

Weird.

Not really, the press and media folks must be going nuts that they cant report on stuff thats all over the net.

 

[DotCommunist]

blinsider coming from cuddly lightweight schofield eh.

 

[teqniq]

Hi BM..
Well, as it was common knowledge that Hoogstraten was involved...

Hoogstraten eh? That guy has always struck me as being a particularly odious scumbag.

 

[Woollyredhat]

I've seen a front page story from the time where the footballer claimed to know stuff that may be of use to the Milligan death investigation. But it was then reported that the police were unimpressed when they questioned him, they said he knew nothing and was wasting their time. The reputation of the footballer was then sullied in the press, suggesting he was originally touting stories about gay MPs to the press simply because he was interested in making lots of money.

This leaves us none the wiser, as its impossible for me to judge whether this was a dodgy smear, or whether the footballer was indeed just after money, or a combination of all of the above. Either way the footballer is dead.

Cameron wasnt wrong to mention the gay witchhunt aspect, but this too can also be used to bury other stuff.

There is a possibility that his orginal story was aimed at making money and it seems in itself his allegations were moreso about his involved sexual encounter with mentioned ministers, but that it had ties to the subject we are now discussing, hence the manner in which the allegations may have been treated.. But as you say, unless more people have knowledge of this affair from perhaps the footballer or Milligan's inner circle at the time of the incidents, there is no way to find out,

The mentioning of the gay witchunt would seem to be diversionary tactic off a man that certainly from his composure and physical feautures since Watson first raised the prospect in the mainstream and to him directly is seen to be highly agitated and unnerving, same again in Scholfield interview. Of course an agenda can be abused by bigots to use homosexuality as a connection to pedophilia, but beyond that, rational and critical thinking people should be able to look past this. What he says has merit in one sense, but the cynic in me thinks it would be a rather more effective diversionary tactic to make the truth harder to obtain.

 

[elbows]

The mentioning of the gay witchunt would seem to be diversionary tactic off a man that certainly from his composure and physical feautures since Watson first raised the prospect in the mainstream and to him directly is seen to be highly agitated and unnerving, same again in Scholfield interview. Of course an agenda can be abused by bigots to use homosexuality as a connection to pedophilia, but beyond that, rational and critical thinking people should be able to look past this. What he says has merit in one sense, but the cynic in me thinks it would be a rather more effective diversionary tactic to make the truth harder to obtain.

All the same I cant eliminate this aspect from some of the original stories, especially as Scallywag spent a fair amount of time making puerile jokes about a few closeted gay tories at the time.

This doesnt mean I write off any leads on this basis. But everything from press interest to coverups to legitimate concerns about underage rentboy activities and intelligence service & organised crime blackmail etc, public school culture and so on are part of the mix, and add layers of murk.

 

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