The Consultants are currently upwardly negotiating their salary with the threat of IA with Barclay. Tell me, who is the boss class and what defines them? Are Consultants not the boss class because they are employees? What if they also do private practice alongside NHS work as many do? Are they then boss class?Oh give over. Industrial disputes like this are always about the boss class attacking the terms and conditions of those doing the work. The side you're on should be obvious.
Are you able to appreciate nuance and think for yourself, or do you need to reduce everything to a binary?Every man for themselves?
They’re waged employees, maybe inflation doesn’t affect them like anyone else idkThe Consultants are currently upwardly negotiating their salary with the threat of IA with Barclay. Tell me, who is the boss class and what defines them? Are Consultants not the boss class because they are employees? What if they also do private practice alongside NHS work as many do? Are they then boss class?
We’re not living in the Industrial Revolution anymore, make it relevant ffs.
Read the thread, I’ve stated my reasons clearly.sorry what your reason for Jr doctors not to be paid more again?
they are worked like bastards
Surely the constant degradation of the NHS is going to see (on balance) more patients dying.Read the thread, I’ve stated my reasons clearly.
Also, I’m not against pay restoration. I just think the risk:benefit ratio of a four day strike after a four day bank holiday followed by a two day weekend tips the balance.
Patients will die (maybe not acutely, on the wards- but those waiting in the community certainly will). And patients awaiting long awaited elective surgery or appointments will be further delayed.
Is that enough of a reason for you?
It’s about money. We made the mistake of obfuscating the issue in the 2016 IA.Surely the constant degradation of the NHS is going to see (on balance) more patients dying.
Is the junior doctor strike solely about money, does it not look to improve patient safety as well?
IA cannot save the NHS. That takes political will. And not voting Tory. The electorate have made their position clear.Surely the constant degradation of the NHS is going to see (on balance) more patients dying.
Is the junior doctor strike solely about money, does it not look to improve patient safety as well?
Poor sas. Someone else vote no to keep him company.
Done!come on edie
How much do you think I’m (we’re?) worth?29k starting for a doc is shit money. 50k fir a reg is shit money. They should strike 100%.
I don't understand the link between doctors taking industrial action and nurses using food banks?Interesting you all feel we deserve pay restoration.
I’m ambivalent. Mainly because I feel so fucking bad at my nursing and HCA colleagues being absolutely fucking mugged off. That makes me want to cry. They work so hard.
Obviously a nurse doesn’t have the same responsibility as a doctor, hasn’t had the length of training, and doesn’t work our insane rotas.
But I still cannot in clear conscience stand on a picket line demanding my £51k salary be increased to £68k when my nursing colleagues are having to use food banks.
Starting 45kHow much do you think I’m (we’re?) worth?
I really do genuinely see this povStarting 45k
Your level 65+
Saying your ok (which is a good thing obvs) so the pay level is fine seems to devalue the services/skills that are employed in the profession.
Many consultants are, and are earning excellent locum rates to do soFTR I have a friend who is a consultant and having to work a lot extra to cover hours over the strike and she is absolutely in favour of the juniors and thinks they're completely justified in doing so.
Interesting you all feel we deserve pay restoration.
I’m ambivalent. Mainly because I feel so fucking bad at my nursing and HCA colleagues being absolutely fucking mugged off. That makes me want to cry. They work so hard.
Obviously a nurse doesn’t have the same responsibility as a doctor, hasn’t had the length of training, and doesn’t work our insane rotas.
But I still cannot in clear conscience stand on a picket line demanding my £51k salary be increased to £68k when my nursing colleagues are having to use food banks.
She's not a locum, she just ends up having to do a load of extra hours to cover things, out of contract of course but you know how it goes. Management are apparently being stingy about hiring locums to cover.Many consultants are, and are earning excellent locum rates to do so
She will be being paid locum rates to cover anything outside her contractual hours. That’s how it works.She's not a locum, she just ends up having to do a load of extra hours to cover things, out of contract of course but you know how it goes. Management are apparently being stingy about hiring locums to cover.
Other parts of the public sector are requesting higher than inflation pay rises. Thinking back some years the FBU went for 40%
I’m sure they will not expect to get the full amount, but it’s part of negotiating innit
One of the knock on effects I would think of doctors wages being suppressed is the impact on the future talent pipeline.Starting 45k
Your level 65+
Saying you’re ok (which is a good thing obvs) so the pay level is fine seems to devalue the services/skills that are employed in the profession.
That’s it isn’t it? Why go in to medicine when you can start on silly money at Goldman or KPMG? Become a partner and make (potentially) billions. I’m 100% behind the docs. They’re underpayed (in the NHS anyway…as is everybody).One of the knock on effects I would think of doctors wages being suppressed is the impact on the future talent pipeline.
If I am a bright kid doing A levels (this forum had some of them 20 years ago!) should I choose to study medicine for 5-7 years at uni?
Or am I better off doing a degree in something business related for 3 years and then a law conversion course (starting trainee salary in London for a city firm minimum 50k) or perhaps trying to get on a big 4 graduate scheme.
For plenty of people they will have to weigh up their vocation against their future financial security