How left wing is this forum?

[mojo pixy]

By any definition of fascism I've ever read, yes it is. and I'm an agnostic, let's say. Not a militant atheist.

 

[Serge Forward]

It's not fascism it's... er... religion

 

[cantsin]

But what of my posts would make you think i buy into that hateful anti-people reading of life and it's possibilities?

Have you been off on some kind of esoteric retreat or sthn ?

 

[mojo pixy]

It's not fascism it's... er... religion

A form of

Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century were the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

...everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.

Change the word State to the word Church, and how does it look? He even goes on to talk about fascism in religious terms.

Church / State. working together for the common good since both came into being, for each other's benefit.

 

[mojo pixy]

I really don't want to get started again, especially with SpackleFrog , so fuck this. I'm out, comrades.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you been off on some weird retreat or sthn ?

The question remains.

I was parodying religious and sports views. They seem to be crude in one instance but not the other.

But serious, you thought i was that sort of dick. Fucking hell.

 

[elbows]

The question remains.

I was parodying religious and sports views. They seem to be crude in one instance but not the other.

But serious, you thought i was that sort of dick. Fucking hell.

Sitting on an anti-imperialist thrown at a trot retreat, watching cricket while wearing Rupert trousers and going rah rah rah.

Yeees, I cant say many aspects of that picture are a good fit for the impression of your beliefs you have delivered consistently here over the years.

 

[elbows]

I would make a small plea for the occasional merits of the teenage pencil case though.

In so much as there are certain forms of naivety that actually carry the potential for positive change, just as there are certain forms (or quantities) of cynicism that can be self-defeating.

However I tend to believe the merits of naivety are best applied when considering what may ultimately be possible, eg what we can demand, and not so much when trying to construct coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything, or what is directly linked to what, or what logical conclusions absolutely must follow a belief.

I had a migraine earlier. I have a limited sense of how much shit I am or am not talking in this post.

 

[cantsin]

The question remains.

I was parodying religious and sports views. They seem to be crude in one instance but not the other.

But serious, you thought i was that sort of dick. Fucking hell.

 

[elbows]

I demand inspiring slogans, come on, out with them.

 

[Humberto]

I demand inspiring slogans, come on, out with them.

No. Go and sit in the corner and think about your behaviour. Come back when you've worked it out.

 

[butchersapron]

All sensible people rejoice at gatting getting an apartheid ball. What year is it now?

 

[elbows]

No. Go and sit in the corner and think about your behaviour. Come back when you've worked it out.

I tried sitting in the corner but Lenins corpse was looking at me funny.

 

[Humberto]

I tried sitting in the corner but Lenins corpse was looking at me funny.

I'm considering the fact that you may be a snake. Generally or just on this thread I don't know. Its up to you. I know you can write good stuff, but that's no excuse.

 

[elbows]

I'm considering the fact that you may be a snake. Generally or just on this thread I don't know. Its up to you. I know you can write good stuff, but that's no excuse.

Define snake. I'm not really sure my sense of humour has come through in this thread and I already said I had a migraine earlier today, which makes my mind more prone to error.

 

[Humberto]

Yeah right. You come across that way to me.

 

[elbows]

That criticism is fuck all use to me. Give me something I can grasp. I have no idea what you are on about at all. I havent expressed much in this thread at all, so it should not be hard to be specific.

I respect butchersapron a lot by the way. I might have said some things in the past that they liked, and they might go easy on me when I say something stupid these days. There are some big holes in my game, I might learn more of use if they let rip on me from time to time! I dont mind either way.

 

[Humberto]

"I tend to believe the merits of naivety are best applied when considering what may ultimately be possible, eg what we can demand, and not so much when trying to construct coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything, or what is directly linked to what, or what logical conclusions absolutely must follow a belief."

Naivety isn't a merit, doesn't have merits. We don't need 'coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything'.

 

[SpackleFrog]

By any definition of fascism I've ever read, yes it is. and I'm an agnostic, let's say. Not a militant atheist.

So what you're saying is you might be a fascist but you're not sure?

 

[xenon]

I'm considering the fact that you may be a snake. Generally or just on this thread I don't know. Its up to you. I know you can write good stuff, but that's no excuse.

Pish. What you talking about? Nothing wrong with elbows.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I really don't want to get started again, especially with SpackleFrog , so fuck this. I'm out, comrades.

Good.

 

[elbows]

"I tend to believe the merits of naivety are best applied when considering what may ultimately be possible, eg what we can demand, and not so much when trying to construct coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything, or what is directly linked to what, or what logical conclusions absolutely must follow a belief."

Naivety isn't a merit, doesn't have merits. We don't need 'coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything'.

OK I will try to explain myself so you can decide whether it was a poor choice of words or a shit concept. Or further poor choices of words.

I get quite depressed after years of seeing various people whose contribution is effectively lost because they have seen so many brutal realities in this world that their sense of what change is still possible is crushed to some extent. And from the age of about 9 or 10 up I witnessed and was part of a cynicism at school that was at times informative and useful, but also limiting.

By contrast, there are examples of people who didnt really understand all the forces that stood in the way of the change they struggled for, didnt believe the terrible odds, and manged to achieve something.

Perhaps naiverty is the wrong word to use. Perhaps I should have expanded on the 'limitations of cynicism' more, but my brain hurts and I'm sure its a theme I've mentioned before.

And yes there are lots of dangerous forms of naivety, and I am in no way praising ignorance as being an advantage. I spend a lot of my forum time spouting off about all sorts of situations whre I think other peoples analysis of the situation is overly simplistic, naive or based on various myths.

And yeah, I'm not a fan of that 'coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything' phrase I used, brain rot, I will try to figure out what I was trying to say on that tomorrow.

 

[Humberto]

OK I will try to explain myself so you can decide whether it was a poor choice of words or a shit concept. Or further poor choices of words.

I get quite depressed after years of seeing various people whose contribution is effectively lost because they have seen so many brutal realities in this world that their sense of what change is still possible is crushed to some extent. And from the age of about 9 or 10 up I witnessed and was part of a cynicism at school that was at times informative and useful, but also limiting.

By contrast, there are examples of people who didnt really understand all the forces that stood in the way of the change they struggled for, didnt believe the terrible odds, and manged to achieve something.

Perhaps naiverty is the wrong word to use. Perhaps I should have expanded on the 'limitations of cynicism' more, but my brain hurts and I'm sure its a theme I've mentioned before.

And yes there are lots of dangerous forms of naivety, and I am in no way praising ignorance as being an advantage. I spend a lot of my forum time spouting off about all sorts of situations whre I think other peoples analysis of the situation is overly simplistic, naive or based on various myths.

And yeah, I'm not a fan of that 'coherent beliefs about the mechanisms of everything' phrase I used, brain rot, I will try to figure out what I was trying to say on that tomorrow.

Alright elbows. I took issue, you spoke to it. All's well here.

 

[elbows]

Groovy.

Cynicism may be a risky word for me to use the way I do at times too. Really it depends what direction the cynicism is pointing, since in some configurations it seems to be a foundation of various right-wing positions (cynicism about human behaviour, relations and motivations), whereas somewhat different results will be obtained if the cynicism is directed at the state, institutions, corporations, international power structures, whatever.

All the shit about supposed 'human nature' vs observations about the terrible things people may do when placed in absurd and disgraceful situations and conditions and structures of power.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Bring a PE teacher is a form of fascism, also when your mum tries to make you eat your greens.

 

[danny la rouge]

Once read an interesting book about neolithic religious beliefs that placed 'shamen' as migraine sufferers. Something about altered states and visual disturbance and all those funny squiggles in the caves.

I think I read that too, although it was Palaeolithic in my recollection. Is it the Mind in the Cave?

 

[danny la rouge]

I had a migraine earlier. I have a limited sense of how much shit I am or am not talking in this post.

Solidarity fist bump, comrade.

One of the things that non sufferers don’t always understand is that migraine isn’t just a word for a really bad headache. There’s a host of other symptoms that come with it, one of which is this neurological disturbance that we associate with the “aura”: the vagueness and confusion and spaciness.

I’m in the “hangover” phase right now. It can go on a day or two for me.

I wish you wellness.

 

[Edie]

I've been surprised recently at how much liberal "aww live n let live" there seems to be here about religion. Considering how socialist states (let's for fun say there's been such a thing) have tended to treated religion in the past.

Not very lefty at all IMO.

Dangerous and authoritarian.

 

[brogdale]

I think I read that too, although it was Palaeolithic in my recollection. Is it the Mind in the Cave?

Spot on; the David Lewis Williams book on the Upper Palaeolithic cave art; (just checked bookshelf )

I read it after I'd visited the amazing Pech Merle cave. Think I might re-read it tbh.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’d love to visit Pech Merle. It looks amazing.