Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Looks to me like NATO is surrounded by Serbia as well.
How close are we to war breaking out in Europe?
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Aladdin
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Boris Johnson says Russia has plans for ‘biggest war in Europe since 1945’
British PM says he wants people to understand the ‘sheer cost in human life’ that an invasion would entail
Boris chomping at the bit
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Boris Johnson says Russia has plans for ‘biggest war in Europe since 1945’
British PM says he wants people to understand the ‘sheer cost in human life’ that an invasion would entailwww.theguardian.com
Boris chomping at the bit
That's Boris saying that Putin is chomping at the bit. He's right by the looks of it.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I agree with you, but I can't see Putin taking any notice of the UK press. Or the Americans or any of the major players in this horror show. They'll just carry on as usual making decisions which ruin other people's lives. They don't need the UK media to encourage them.
Aladdin
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Boris was interviewed today and was alking about "the biggest war in Europe aince 1945". He's ramping this up all the time. And of course refused to discuss the partygate crap and went straight into Churchill mode .
Even the Ukrainian leader is asking that the rhetoric about war be toned down.
Well quite. SO who's it for. Grow up and shut the fuck up already (them not you obv.)
There is some better, cooler annnalisys but I need to read more. Significance of the Minsk2 stuff etc.
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That's not ramping it up, it's warning of a very distinct possibility. Whatever you think of Boris, he doesn't want a war, which would be an absolute disaster for Europe.
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The Ukrainians don't want too much rhetoric because they don't want people to leave or investors to run away.
Meanwhile I've noticed Johnson appears to have been briefed to talk up the potential Russian military casualties, presumably for a Russian domestic/ex-pat audience, as that's the main thing Putin will be wary of when it comes to weighing up his options.
Raheem
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Have we found something he cares about and it turns out it's Europe of all things?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That's what we are genuinely looking at as a possibility. You're deluded if you think he actually wants a war.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he wants something like the falklands to bump him back into power again. but he's going to get something else.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
I don't know whether he actually wants a war or not. But I know, or at least strongly suspect, that he didn't want to win the Brexit referendum, just look like a noble loser without triggering a shitstorm. He triggered a shitstorm. So frankly what is going on in his head isn't the primary consideration for me.
cupid_stunt
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He was asking that the rhetoric be toned down, for purely economic reasons, now it's getting more serious he's changed his tune, accusing some western leaders of a policy of “appeasement”, and is calling on more support from the west.
Russian invasion of Ukraine 'very, very imminent', says minister
A Russian invasion of Ukraine is "very, very likely and very, very imminent", Europe minister James Cleverly has said.
Aladdin
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He was asking that the rhetoric be toned down, for purely economic reasons, now it's getting more serious he's changed his tune, accusing some western leaders of a policy of “appeasement”, and is calling on more support from the west.
Russian invasion of Ukraine 'very, very imminent', says minister
A Russian invasion of Ukraine is "very, very likely and very, very imminent", Europe minister James Cleverly has said.www.cityam.com
Isnt that about wanting to be in NATO?
Aladdin
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Pickman's model
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the only way for him to be properly churchillian is to win a major war. but as i've said with johnson it's always the wsc of gallipoli and dieppe,
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I suppose you think he ought to ignore it? Or assure us that Putin won't ever do such a thing?
Raheem
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TBF, almost everyone on this thread has mentioned it once or twice.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he shouldn't ignore it being as his record on wars so far is to say the least lamentable
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
More about being pissed off with Germany, and a few others, for not offering stronger support, because Russian gas is like crack to them, and crackheads don't tend to want to upset their dealer.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if johnson told you it was sunday you'd check to confirm. so i don't know why you don't apply the same standards to the more provocative of his claims.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so the germans are a bunch of junkies
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Stop (mentioning) the War!
The 'if you don't think about it, it goes away' school of problem solving.
Sasaferrato
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Germany's response has been appalling.
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The point is that any suggestion that he, or any other European leader, wants a war with Russia, is beyond ludicrous.
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It's not just (or mainly) gas. There are lots of tentacles of business relationships between SPD-supporters and Russia, plus some people mention the supposed historical guilt from WW2, though I'm not sure what role if any that plays.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
so the germans are a bunch of junkies
That's not what I said, stop being silly.
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