Global Times backed off on that tweet pretty quickly - but the government has announced a press conference for 6pm today, maybe they were holding off on declaring a curfew to give a few Beijing allies time to sell off some shares.
Hong Kong: what next?
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Global Times backed off on that tweet pretty quickly - but the government has announced a press conference for 6pm today, maybe they were holding off on declaring a curfew to give a few Beijing allies time to sell off some shares.
No curfew or anything announced today - there has apparently been a very minimal police presence at continued protests in Central elsewhere, so I reckon they're either using a very sensible de-escalation strategy or, far more likely, gearing up for a massive assault on the universities.
PLA soldiers now on the streets clearing roadblocks near Baptist University - official word is that this is not a deployment, just "volunteers" who "wanted to help," because yeah, Chinese soldiers emerging from the barracks to engage in acts of do-goodery is totally a thing that happens all the fucking time.
not-bono-ever
meh
teqniq
DisMembered
This is from last Monday but I only saw it on someone's phone last night. Pretty grim.
Hong Kong man set alight hours after protester shot by police - CNN
Hong Kong man set alight hours after protester shot by police - CNN
Hong Kong is now in full-on police state mode - cops sealed off the Hong Kong Polytechnic campus before making raids to arrest people, apparently numerous medics were arrested first.
Also reports of hospitals being sealed off and parts of the rail network being closed to the public so that large numbers of detainees can be moved by train.
Also reports of hospitals being sealed off and parts of the rail network being closed to the public so that large numbers of detainees can be moved by train.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Fucking horrible eh.
Virtual Blue
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my niece goes to that uni - she was shouted at and shoved cos she didn't want to support the protests.
also my cus, who works in the city, is enjoying the benefits of home-officing - city is still in lockdown mode.
also my cus, who works in the city, is enjoying the benefits of home-officing - city is still in lockdown mode.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I have a friend who lives in HK.
Hong Kong chinese family. He was sent to school in the UK though.
He says he supported the protests over the extradition bill but has not really supported them beyond that, since August or so. That said, says the government is to blame for how things are now.
He says he thinks the situation is 'spiced up' by foreign media somewhat, in their reporting. This is something I've heard from others too - but not sure what to make of it.
Hong Kong chinese family. He was sent to school in the UK though.
He says he supported the protests over the extradition bill but has not really supported them beyond that, since August or so. That said, says the government is to blame for how things are now.
He says he thinks the situation is 'spiced up' by foreign media somewhat, in their reporting. This is something I've heard from others too - but not sure what to make of it.
It's not going to stop and I don't think Beijing even wants it to stop, at least not until they have criminalised an entire generation of opponents to its rule - left to their own devices, I think even the thickest leaders in Hong Kong would have concluded by now that ordering the police to hit and arrest people until they stop protesting police violence and mass arrests isn't going to work.
not-bono-ever
meh
its not exactly new for the HK filth to be tooled up. in the RHK days, they always had a cupboard full of ropey stens to hand
Very rare to see them on the streets though - only place I can ever remember seeing them is the airport.
WWWeed
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I'm really sorry I've more or less stopped posting updates. I'm absolutely devastated with how things are panning out.
Some of the people stuck in the uni are more or less waiting for an armed police siege which won't end well. They are majorly outnumbered and outgunned.
I've been informed that arrested protesters are being loaded onto trains, not sure where but I'll bet money it's going across the border
Edit: police presser claims that MTR called about 20 “rioters” escaping via train tracks. They responded and apprehended about 10-odd “rioters” and the MTR offered to transport them to the nearest station where they could be transferred to a police transport. No idea how to verify
Some of the people stuck in the uni are more or less waiting for an armed police siege which won't end well. They are majorly outnumbered and outgunned.
I've been informed that arrested protesters are being loaded onto trains, not sure where but I'll bet money it's going across the border
Edit: police presser claims that MTR called about 20 “rioters” escaping via train tracks. They responded and apprehended about 10-odd “rioters” and the MTR offered to transport them to the nearest station where they could be transferred to a police transport. No idea how to verify
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Virtual Blue
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Alot of the locals (around 80 of my relatives in HK) dislike the students and the police.
They hate student protestors as they're damaging the fuck out of the city/ beating up innocent mainlanders etc.
And they hate the police because they're thugs/ corrupt.
As for democracy? speak to my old man /mum - they still remember the shootings of 1956 where the British Forces shot the innocent.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I'm really sorry I've more or less stopped posting updates. I'm absolutely devastated with how things are panning out.
Some of the people stuck in the uni are more or less waiting for an armed police siege which won't end well. They are majorly outnumbered and outgunned.
I've been informed that arrested protesters are being loaded onto trains, not sure where but I'll bet money it's going across the border
Edit: police presser claims that MTR called about 20 “rioters” escaping via train tracks. They responded and apprehended about 10-odd “rioters” and the MTR offered to transport them to the nearest station where they could be transferred to a police transport. No idea how to verify
Reading the description of today's events all that comes to mind is Alesia.
It's grim over there, wish them all the luck.
I was heartened to see Sweden tell China to fuck off and I'm hoping more governments will do likewise. Its past time.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's very interesting to hear thanks. Most of the reporting I see portrays the protestors quite favourably and I don't see a lot of stuff on the news about locals in HK not being happy about them. When I spoke to my friend this morning he told me that's what all of his foreign (ie non HK, mainly European) friends have told him about what they see reported here. But his suggestion was that it's not entirely the whole picture.
Virtual Blue
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Democracy.
If you speak against the protestors, you will get fucked up.
There's been countless reports of university and school kids/ ordinary folk getting threatened/ beaten cos they disagreed or tried to stop the damage.
People are getting fucked up for speaking with an accent ffs - then you have the pro-china dude getting set alight and the local getting attacked by the students with a hammer.
I apologise for the newsource but this sums it up for me...
A lot of people are fully behind the protesters, many are fully against, and there's many in the middle - a drawback to having a leaderless movement is that when terrible things happen like that pro-China guy being set on fire, there's not a leader to with the authority to condemn them or tell protesters to rein it in. And this is because if there was a leader, they'd immediately be arrested and charged with inciting rioting - if they weren't "disappeared" to San Uk Ling or somewhere, or murdered by pro-Beijing triads.
There's also a lot of suspicion that some of the most violent acts have been carried out either by undercover cops disguised as protesters - which there are a lot of - or other provocateurs, which I think is likely the case some of the time, but not all, unfortunately these kinds of situations are good cover for psychopaths.
Virtual Blue
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Do you think HK people want HK to be part of China?
As Yossarian said, the problem with a leaderless movement is there is nobody with the authority to reign in bad behaviour, but any figurehead would just be arrested so there's no other way.
Also, the protestors have been backed into a corner by the Chinese state. Look at Xinjiang - friends of mine have been murdered there, the evidence for what is happened is overwhelming and it is monstrous, what reason do HKers have not to believe that HK will be pacified in the same way as Xinjiang? How much data and intelligence has the CCP collected on protestors? If they stop now, how do they know they won't be taken away at 3am some years down the line and find themselves in a re-education camp subject to torture, rape, human experimentation and possibly murder? They have been backed into a corner, the people who aren't supporting the protests simply aren't aware of the gravity of the situation and believe things will stay the same. But there can be no return to the status quo, it is quite clear that the CCP is preparing to abolish one country two systems and also preparing for war with Taiwan, HKers who aren't either fighting back or making plans to leave Hong Kong are either in denial or fascists themselves.
The CCP today, due to its abuse of big data and surveillance technologies, is a threat to civilisation like nothing since the Nazis. While protestors should not attack people who disagree, can we get some perspective here - in the Mainland NOBODY can disagree, people who dare to face severe consequences, and that's what the extradition law would have brought to HK. Beijing supporters can still rally in HK, and post things online, and have pro-Beijing media, something that will be denied everyone else if these protests do not succeed.
Being sour on the protests because some of them lose their temper with people who disagree with them seems a very myopic take on the situation, I must say.
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The chatter here (in Japan) coming out from pro-Beijing voices is quite alarming. Describing the demonstrators as "cockroaches" and calling for them to be "exterminated". Maybe it's just bluster and internet hardmen at work but I fear this is how the protests will eventually be subdued. Through threats, trying to silence opposition, smears, agent provocateurs and creating a backlash against the protesters.
I don't think there's ever been massive widespread support for being part of China, but I don't think many people have ever seen independence as a viable goal either - it seems like a lot more people were willing to accept being part of China before Xi Jinping came to power, when genuine universal suffrage was still considered a real possibility and before Beijing started seriously chipping away at Hong Kong's autonomy.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I can well believe a few incidents of protestors doing orrible things happen and that most HKers want to be left alone. People like stability.
I don't particularly believe many of the outraged cries of "the protestors are evil" due to the Chinese governments tendency to erm, murder people and use its vast resources to pump out propaganda and lies against it's enemies at the slightest provocation.
I don't particularly believe many of the outraged cries of "the protestors are evil" due to the Chinese governments tendency to erm, murder people and use its vast resources to pump out propaganda and lies against it's enemies at the slightest provocation.
Virtual Blue
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It was more of an acceptance of the inevitable.
Just feel sad that it's the place of my childhood and I'm selling everything in the next few years...I'm bailing the fuck out...
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