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Hong Kong: China's Last Words?

In my geographical constituency, I've voted for this guy in our General (never mind local,) Elections for the last three votes (every four years) - so what the fuck do I know!

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He stood independently and lost the first time in year 2000 and thereafter (and previously too,) was regularly ejected forceably from the public gallery of the Legislative Council (our Parliament).

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But he won spectacularly the second time (in 2004,) and then retained his seat in the 2008 General Election with over 80,000 votes - and increased his majority too! (He only got 18,000 votes the first time he stood in 2000, but was up against a strong, high profile, opponent).

He has now been my representative in LegCo for five years - one year into his second term - and a companion on demo's for much longer (though we don't socialise anymore - dammit I must rekindle that, late nights in the bar plotting all kinds of shite; I guess I'm getting too old and skint these days).

He's on every demo' (and we do alot of 'em,) and is always up for a good ruck with the fuzz.


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He's been busted for all kinds of things - usually obstruction in a public place, occasionally for organising demonstrations without notifying the fuzz, a couple of times for illegal broadcasting (our "Citizens' Radio",) and once for assaulting a cop.

He served 28 days for the cop assault (he pushed the pig over at a demo', 'cos the pig was being violent,) and has served two other short stretches for non-payment of fines on other offences - but always grows his hair back when released. (His popular nomiker is "Cheung Mo" [Long Hair].)


He was a mate of mine back in the early/mid/late 1990's and I pushed him again and again and again to stand - as did many in our circle at the time. He is popular with the poor and has always been a crusader for social justice. He has been ceaselesly campaigning and demonstrating for the underdog since the mid-1970's when he was at secondary school - which he didn't complete, too interested in politics.


Now that he's a legislator (MP in the UK,) he is a powerful force in LegCo and has formed a Party, The League Of Social Democrats, which now has three Legislators (the additional two added in the 2008 General Election) out of a House of 60.

He sometimes turns up in fancy dress rather than his more usual attire of jeans and "Che" T-shirt (a chicken costume, for example, when the price of chickens spiked due to bird-flue-culls, and as a pig when pork prices ramped). And will drag a life-sized (well, death-sized, I guess,) mock-coffin into the chamber to signify the death of democracy, whenever the govt. tries to push through another autocratic policy or to restrict the growth of (our stingy,) social welfare programmes.

When the Chief Executive (Prime Minister to Brits',) gives his bollocks speeches, Longhair chucks fresh bananas at him and challenges him to name the cost of a catty (about one pound in weight,) of them at his (the CE's,) local wet-market. The CE, of course, has no clue and is then (rightly,) berated for being out of touch. He brought a basket of eggs once and made the same price-challenge, but was ordered out of the chamber before he could lob them.




A man of deep integrity, a true representative of "The People".


He earns about GBP 50,000 a year as a Legislator (before 15% tax,) and keeps about GBP 12,000 a year for himself (he lives, and always has, in a small, decrepit, public-housing flat) and donates the rest; some to his party for expenses and much to various charities.


I reckon he'll be elected again in 2012, with yet another increased majority.


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Now that's fuckin' politics!


:D


Woof

I like.
 
That's Wei Jingsheng of "the fifth modernisation" fame on the wall behind him enjoying his tab.
 
Okey Dokey.

Boots and tee-shirt are on (white being this years colour - for democracy loike).

Bus stop beckons.

Down to Vicoria Park for about 2:00pm. Then a 3:00pm kick off. Should reach the Govt. Offices in Central by about 6:00pm.

Could be up to 200,000 good citizens on the streets today.


Rock on Hong Kong!


:)


Woof
 
Oh boy!

I'm gettin' too old for this shit.

It was HOT (32C in the shade and in the sun, much, much harsher,) and my feet, groin, lower back, thighs, calves and shoulders - in decending order - are fucked. I'm waddling like an old washer woman. I know I don't get out much these days, but I'm obviously seriously unfit.

Many peeps were suffering from the heat.

I feel like I've been fighting a rugby team. :( I'm gonna need to do some serious training if I'm going to have a snowball in Hell's chance of climbing Ma On Shan this winter.

Ouch!


The turnout was not stellar in the end; probably 60,000 to 80,000 in total, plus another 20,000 lining the pavements and waving from pedestrian walkways, flyovers, bridges and trams.

It was hot. I left Victoria Park close to the front of the throng at about 3:30pm (after walking around the park for a couple of hours engaging with peeps). Took about 4 hours for the crowd to reach the Govt. offices in Central from leaving the gates of the park (only about four miles but, by God, it felt longer this year,) peeps were still leaving the park at 5:00pm and didn't arrive in Central until after 7:30pm.

It was an angry march this year.

The June 4th vigil always maintains an element of sombriety, as it should, but the 1st of July march is usually less restrained.

This year, it was angrier than in 2007 and 2008 - peeps are fed up with the govt. and the govt. is a wee bit scared - Beijing is also worried about social instability in HK as well as the mainland.

But I'm getting too old for this shit.

Still exhausted; wiped out.


Oh me feet.


:)


Woof
 
Right then!


It's that time of year again.

It's seven years since there were 750,000 peeps out on the 1st of July 2003.

This year will be hot, 33C+ in the shade and, as always, we'll be in the sun.

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DEMOCRACY!


NOW!


:mad:



Woof
 
Youth protest for HK$33 minimum wage in Hong Kong

Socialist Action (CWI Hong Kong) protests against Cafe de Coral’s abysmal wages (with video)

Around 20 youth took part in the protest at Cafe de Coral, with Legco member “Long Hair” Leung Kwok-hung and the LSD also lending support.

After half an hour, the protest, led by “Long Hair” and followed by dozens of journalists and several TV crews, threaded its way up to the first floor restaurant, where it took centre stage in front of the service counter. Leaflets were handed out to overwhelmingly sympathetic diners and speeches and slogans echoed around the cafeteria.

http://www.chinaworker.info/en/content/news/1111


A small part of a growing movement:
Workers in China grasp the power of the strike
A spectre of labour unrest is haunting the country – and it terrifies the ruling Communist party
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/04/workers-china-power-strike-communist/print
 
Things in HK, political, will change even more in 2047. Hong Kong is only a special region of China for 50 years from return to PRC in 1997. After that the territory will lose its SAR status and HK will be swallowed completely by big Beijing almighty rule totally!
 
Things in HK, political, will change even more in 2047. Hong Kong is only a special region of China for 50 years from return to PRC in 1997. After that the territory will lose its SAR status and HK will be swallowed completely by big Beijing almighty rule totally!

I would put money on their being no mass chinese nation with the same borders as today by then - some kind of fragmentation is inevitable i reckon. Likewise the CCP
 
Things in HK, political, will change even more in 2047. Hong Kong is only a special region of China for 50 years from return to PRC in 1997. After that the territory will lose its SAR status and HK will be swallowed completely by big Beijing almighty rule totally!


Nah!


When you consider how much HK has influenced the change in China to date over the last 30 years (don't forget, Shenzhen was the first SEZ for a reason,) methinks that by 2047, China will be far more like HK is today than HK will be like China is today.

And as ska points out, there are other potential scenarios that complicated the picture considerably.


Woof
 


'Tis tragic, Meadow. Eight dead, two severely injured and two slightly injured, two young teens orphaned and an unhurt woman who lost her husband, two young daughters and with her son - her only child now - in a coma.

There's huge anger here over the fiasco that was the "rescue" and the Philippine govt's response - a demo is organised for tomorrow (Sunday 29th Aug) and some 50,000+ are expected to march from Victoria Park to the LegCo building in Central.

The 150,000 Filipina domestic helpers will be keeping their collective heads down on their weekly day off (again tomorrow) for fear of irrational reprisals - a handful have already been fired by their (stupid) employers. :confused:



Fucking tragic incident.


:(


Woof
 
Liu Xia, Liu Xiao-bo's wife, visited him 2 days after the Nobel Peace Prize was announced from Norway. Rumours have it that "Liu Xiao-bo is now having better prison meals." After returning to her apartment [escourted by the police of course], Liu Xia has been silent.

And an open announcement:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...iaobo-and-reform/story-e6frg6so-1225939372831

As expected, a series of stuff coming from China.
-- Continuation of Liu Xia's (Liu Xiao-bo's wife) "protection" aka house arrest
-- Liu Xia's old cell phone is now "broken," her 2nd cell is also "broken"
-- Reteliations towards Norway (all cultural activities cancelled.. blah blah)
-- "Protections" aka harassments for Liu's friends ...

... and more, maybe Jessiedog could fill us in?

In the interim, some fun in Hong Kong at Donald's house.

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In the semiautonomous Chinese territory Hong Kong, several pro-democracy lawmakers showed solidarity with Liu on Thursday, displaying his picture in the legislature and wearing headbands inscribed with messages calling for his release.

Lawmaker Leung Kwok-hung asked Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang to comment on Liu's Nobel award, but the Beijing-backed official declined to do so.

"I've never heard of a leader declining comment during question-and-answer time," Leung retorted. Later, another opposition lawmaker, Albert Chan, held up Liu's portrait as he berated Tsang for dodging the question. Both legislators were kicked out for disrupting order.

The former British colony, governed under a separate system, enjoys freedom of speech, and activists have held several protests at the central Chinese government's liaison office in Hong Kong.

Full article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...oNHrqOk6ZihXwoOSuHxgD9IRDSP80?docId=D9IRDSP80
 
Beijing has censored - as far as possible - any mention of the Nobel Peace Prize from the mainland (despite trumpeting the Science and other Prizes). The only easily available stuff is Beijing's response; e.g. "It's an abomination of the Peace Prize's mandate." "It glorifies criminals in China." "It's part of the western conspiricy to derail China's development." "Etc. Etc.".

There has, however, been a surprisingly strong response - mostly internet based - with 23 prominent, retired, former-high-ranking political and cultural officials signing an open letter calling for Liu's release (this was in the works before the award,) and other activists writing/publishing similar thoughts across the web. Further, about 200 intellectuals and activists have signed an open letter to Beijing (internet published,) saying that Liu was eminently suitable candidate to receive the award and calling for his immediate release.

Liu Xia is under house arrest and without phone(s) (although is managing to "tweet" her disgust at the authorties for doing so - tho' Twitter is generally unavailable on the mainland without a proxy), several activists have been detained and many dozens more are under heavy, 24 hour surveillance.

The CCP leadership (at least the conservative elements,) are Royally pissed off about this. It seems that they didn't believe that the Committee would dare to bestow the award on Xiabo. They are now madly running around tryiing to implement a damage limitation campaign.

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that the awarding of the Peace Prize to Liu is the greatest "shot in the arm" with respect to morale boosting among the Chinese Activists scene, since the 1989 Tiananmen Square movement (before the tanks went in). It's really good news.

One of the main problems though is that, in general, peeps on the mainland only get the news that Beijing wants them to get and, in general, peeps really do buy the Party line. It's important to remember that, in addition to the original 300 signatories (including Liu), fewer than 10,000 souls have actually signed onto Charter '08 (the document co-authored by Liu that preciptated his arrest, "trial" and sentencing). For sure, many, many more would agree with the majority of its content and many more than that would agree with some of its content, BUT, it has been signed by only 0.00033% of the population.

The vast, VAST, VAST majority of Chinese in mainland China have never even heard of Liu Xiabo, let alone Charter '08 - this despite the fact of his Nobel Award - and, frankly, at this moment in time, the vast, VAST majority of Chinese wouldn't care less even if they did know of him. :(

Speaking to friends in Shanghai this week, the consensus seems to be that Liu Xiabo has always been a troublemaker, was definitely behaving seditiously and probably deserved what he got (11 years!). :(

Such is the outcome when a society lives under a system of heavy, continuous, ongoing media censorship.


It's also important to remember the innoccuos content of Charter '08. It basically called for the upholding of the Chinese Constitution with respect to freedom of speech and association. It called for the respect of individual property rights (particularly those of small farmers and peasants,) and protection from the state (typically corrupt local govt's,) in this regard. It called for greater democratisation and a pluralistic political system where political parties were allowed to be established and compete in elections. It called for the further (it's already policy,) privatisation of large State Owned Enterprises (SOE's) to help prevent monopolistic practice, corruption and State favouritism. It called for officials to be held to account for their personal corruption and nepotism. It called for greater freedom of the media in order to support the rooting out of Official corruption on a personal and systemic level.

And, critically, it emphasised its call for a NON-VIOLENT and entirely PEACEFUL movement towards these reforms.

Hardly radical stuff!


For co-authoring Charter '08, Liu Xiabo was detained for two years, incommunicado, without trial - and then, after a one-day "trial", was convicted of subversion (I think it was "publishing and spreading illegal, seditious materials", or somesuch,) and sentenced to 11 years in prison. A few dozen other signatories have been hassled, or fired, or put under 24 hour surveillance.

In China, there is a saying: "Killing the chicken to scare the monkey." Liu's case is a classic example of this tactic being employed by Beijing. His harsh sentence is meant to send out a "strong message" to everyone else involved in co-authoring / publishing / signing Charter '08 - and to anyone else who may be thinking of getting involved.


The consensus among political pundits in Hong Kong seems to be that Beijing will try to hush things up and quieten things down as quickly as possible and then try to avoid the issue entirely for a few years before quietly releasing Liu sometime; well in advance of his sentence being completed (say @ 5 - 6 years from now).


Liu is a very courageous man. He has been advocating peaceful, political change in China for over 25 years. He was one of the key people who, sensing imminent catastrophe, managed to convince thousands of students to leave Tiananmen Square on the night of 3rd June 1989, thus sparing them the murderous force of the military assault that killed so many hundreds, perhaps thousands, of their friends and colleagues on 4th June that year.



He really is a hero.


Woof
 
Wah suk's spirit lives on!

The latest on a Jasmine Revolution in China.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-jasmine-revolution-20110305,0,4166735.story

No doubt it will be a long, hard road to travel. But ... it's already started --

source: http://www.brandonsun.com/world/bre...against-unpopular-budget-117485238.html?thx=y

6 MARCH, 2011 HONG KONG - Protesters in Hong Kong have rallied against an unpopular government budget.

Broadcaster RTHK says more than 1,000 people took part in Sunday's protest.

News reports say a few protesters broke through a police line to plant jasmine flowers in a government compound. They were supporting attempts by activists to hold a "Jasmine Revolution" in mainland China modeled on Middle East protests.

Several dozen people ended the march by holding a sit-in on a main road in the city's central business district. They want Hong Kong's chief executive and financial secretary to step down.

The government faces public anger over handouts in last month's budget that were criticized as short-term and unfair.

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Hong Kong, 6 March, 2011

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6 jasmines were planted in front of the a government building, Hong Kong.

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Hong Kong, 6 March, 2011

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Hong Kong, 6 March, 2011

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Supporters of Jasmine Revolution in China, Times Square, New York, 6 March 2011

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Protesters, Hong Kong.

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Police blackade in front of McDonald's, Shenzhen, China

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In front of McDonald's, Shenzhen, China
 
that takes balls to protest against a goverment that really does'nt give a shit and knows the rest of the world is powerless.
the chinese goverment is really rather loathsome.
 
The oppression, arrest and detainment of activists on the mainland continues and is intensifying.

I am at a loss.

:(

Woof
 
Remembering 4 June 1989
http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/6334

"Tens of thousands will again flood into Hong Kong’s Victoria Park to commemorate the ‘6.4’ [June 4, 1989] massacre. For a new generation who weren’t even born in 1989, the annual vigil has become a mass protest against the unreformed and unrepentant CCP dictatorship, which perpetrated this atrocity to quell a movement that posed a threat to its survival. Rather than allowing even limited democratic openings, the CCP-state has built-up and modernised its repressive machinery, increasing the ‘internal security’ budget by more than 200 billion yuan in the past three years (exceeding its military spending)"
 
Oh the sweet irony of hosting Ed Snowden.

This one has quite some time to run methinks.

Can't wait to see how things unfold.

They don't like it up 'em, do they?

Thank you Ed.

:)

Woof
 
Such a shame about Mrs Magpie's uninteded deletition of the original "What About China?" thread.

Let's make sure that HK thread never dies.

Blessings all.

:)

Woof
 
Drone footage showing the extent of the protests yesterday ...



I was initially shocked, and then quite proud and heartened, by the sheer numbers of young people engaged in the politics of Hong Kong. It always seemed to me that the majority of Hong-Kongers were pretty fickle about such matters - I remember how nationalistic Hong Kongers became during the Beijing Olympics.

China's best move now is to do nothing. If the central government does anything to inflame the situation, such as an internet blackout, or worse, bringing in troops, the protest will surely escalate out of control - the use of tear gas yesterday probably doubled the numbers of protesters.

Looking forward to more insights from JessieDog ...
 
Protests are still going on and some main roads have been blocked for nearly two weeks now - numbers were pretty thin, maybe a couple of thousand people, when I was there last night but there were tens of thousands there for a rally tonight after the government decided to cancel talks.
 
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