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Hondo's plans for a huge tower on Pope's Road, Brixton and the Brixton Project

The Hondo tower was deviation from the local plan. As Brixton Buzz report says GLA planning officers recommended throwing out the application due to this.

So, unless one is going to ditch planning guidelines, this development should have been stopped much earlier.

Planning guidelines aren't perfect but they give at least some way of democratically doing development.

Unless won wants property developers a free hand.

I don't think anyone is against development. It's what kind that's the issue.
 
Worth remembering how dodgy Hondo's 'community consultation' was from the very start:

The ‘consultation’​

Visitors to the consultation are invited to fill in a survey and it comes with the usual set of fully-loaded-but-still-vague questions like: “Would you like to see the creation of a community space that will benefit the people of Brixton?” and “Do you agree that there is a need for greater employment space in Brixton, due to it being six times lower than the London average?

Another question asks “Do you support the opening up and extension of Brixton Market?” without specifying what “opening up” a market means, and the inevitable clarion call to include yet more boozy joints and foodie haunts comes in the last question: “Would you like to see a variety of uses such as retail and food and beverage in the extended marketplace?”

 
he [Taylor McWillians] would have learnt why he doesn’t fit into Brixton and why he can never be part of the culture

The more things change the more they stay the same.

There have always been Brixton residents opposed to new Brixton residents, and there always will be I suppose.
 
Taylor McWilliams isn't a Brixton resident and the tower wasn't residential so your comment is utterly meaningless.
You seem to have "misunderstood".

Let me explain again.

You are a Brixton resident, and you seem to oppose Taylor McWilliams becoming a Brixton resident.

There have always been Brixton residents opposed to new Brixton residents, and there always will be.
 
You seem to have "misunderstood".

Let me explain again.

You are a Brixton resident, and you seem to oppose Taylor McWilliams becoming a Brixton resident.

There have always been Brixton residents opposed to new Brixton residents, and there always will be.
Hang on. You're saying the Texan multi-millionaire wants to move to Brixton, rather than just collect rent?
 
You seem to have "misunderstood".

Let me explain again.

You are a Brixton resident, and you seem to oppose Taylor McWilliams becoming a Brixton resident.
Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? Do you even know anything about what he was proposing for Brixton?
Clue: it's got absolutely nothing to do with him moving here. Or new Brixton residents.
 
Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? Do you even know anything about what he was proposing for Brixton?
Clue: it's got absolutely nothing to do with him moving here. Or new Brixton residents.

You're being obtuse.

Read your own article:
If Taylor McWillians, the Texan millionaire socialite behind the tower, had dared to have come along he would have learnt why he doesn’t fit into Brixton and why he can never be part of the culture.

I'm saying that this attitude is unpleasant. It was unpleasant in the 1960s and it's unpleasant now. Brixton is for everyone, even people who have different views to you.
 
You're being obtuse.

Read your own article:


I'm saying that this attitude is unpleasant. It was unpleasant in the 1960s and it's unpleasant now. Brixton is for everyone, even people who have different views to you.
Right. So a Texan multimillionaire forcing a massive, ugly tower block on Brixton residents - one that breaks Lambeth's own planning regulations, was opposed by thousands of locals and would become a blight on the landscape- isn't the issue here in your mind?

And much as you're jumping through convoluted hoops to fabricate an argument that this is supposedly about Brixton people being unwelcoming to incomers, that isn't what's been said and your dishonest twisting is all rather pathetic.
 
Right. So a Texan multimillionaire forcing a massive, ugly tower block on Brixton residents - one that breaks Lambeth's own planning regulations, was opposed by thousands of locals and would become a blight on the landscape- isn't the issue here in your mind?

And much as you're jumping through convoluted hoops to fabricate an argument that this is supposedly about Brixton people being unwelcoming to incomers, that isn't what's been said and your dishonest twisting is all rather pathetic.
I was responding to an article you linked to in this thread.

You used unpleasant tribal language to say that a man who's views and culture is different from yours would be unwelcome in Brixton. I'm saying you might want to reflect on that.
 
I was responding to an article you linked to in this thread.

You used unpleasant tribal language to say that a man who's views and culture is different from yours would be unwelcome in Brixton. I'm saying you might want to reflect on that.
I've reflected and I'm still 100% happy to state than I am absolutely OK with opposing millionaires backed by huge US investment companies rocking up to Brixton and trying and force through an ugly, unwanted, planning regulation breaking tower that over 8,000 local people, the local MP, the Brixton Society and a host of local traders all objected to.

More interestingly, why do you think the wishes of all those locals and their parliamentary representative should be ignored in favour of this one individual?
 
I've reflected and I'm still 100% happy to state than I am absolutely OK with opposing millionaires backed by huge US investment companies rocking up to Brixton and trying and force through an ugly, unwanted, planning regulation breaking tower that over 8,000 local people, the local MP, the Brixton Society and a host of local traders all objected to.

More interestingly, why do you think the wishes of all those locals and their parliamentary representative should be ignored in favour of this one individual?
I don't.
 
According to an interview in "Elle" in 2014 McWilliams was based in Earls Court/Fulham at that time. What’s my Weekend: Taylor McWilliams, Housekeeping
He was developing a hotel in Shoreditch with his company Hondo and Gansevoort Hotel of New York. This does seem to have happened, but been sold on
BTW the Wikipedia article on Taylor McWilliams needs updating: Taylor McWilliams - Wikipedia
I believe neutral language is preferred.
 
I see Tulster218 is trying to derail the successful opposition to this development:

MP
Some Labour Cllrs
Stop the Tower
Brixton Buzz

By insinuating this was akin to racism.

I find it disgusting to equate opposition to millionaires as being the same as the kind of racism black people were subject to when they came here as Windrush generation
 
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Pretty sure Tulster218 has me on ignore.

Anyway Tulster218 is has someone who I forget said is a "poor mans Adam Smith"

Tulstar has said previously that its planning regulations plus those who are tribal using them hold up the supply of development and economic growth that benefits all. ( was discussing housing in that instance) According to this way of seeing things.

If we got rid of all this red tape then entrepreneurial people would be able to further the growth and development of society.

As apposed to the dead hand of the state.

One of Tulstars bugbears is that this country is to tribal.

There is a logic to Tulstar argument.

Let the market decide. Its the most democratic. The market does not care about creed or colour. If people were freed from the tribal ( mob) so enterprising individuals could compete in a rational manner leading in end to outcomes for the good of all. With any prejudice according to race etc ended with the freeing of Economic man/ woman. People purely pursuing their own economic interest.

With Democracy being about a minimal state setting rules on property etc.

The tribal mob are not supposed to have a say.

I would say not everything about opposing Hondo towers I agreed with. Im was not that keen on some of the Brixton is for us line.

Letting the "mob" intervene in politics is a double edged sword. But one Im for one willing to take. Rather than Tulstar utopian view of free enterprise/ Free market.

I kept it to fact that this proposed development was a deviation from the local plan.

Secondly Im not happy that senior planners in conjunction with senior Regen Council departments took it upon themselves to decide what is best for Brixton community. And ditch the Local Plan. Beggars belief imo they did this.

If I was in power I heads would roll over this.

Or at least the Local elected authority should exert control over these officers.

They were making political decisions which imo they had no right to do.

Given way this Right Wing Council operates getting any oversight from back bench Labour Cllrs over what officers do would mean an end to their careers.

Its another example of a long list of ways this long standing Labour Council does not really listen to local community.

I know a few Cllrs opposed this.

But the general angle from the leadership is that so called inward investment is a good thing.
 
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I would say not everything about opposing Hondo towers I agreed with. Im was not that keen on some of the Brixton is for us line.
I have to say that's not something I heard at all. The protest was about an unwanted, regulation-busting hideous tower being shoved into the middle of Brixton against the wishes of the community.

The argument was that it shouldn't be permitted for Brixton to undemocratically turn into a lucrative playground for wealthy millionaires backed by investment fund money to get their way.
 
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It’s clear that commercialisation can, at times, result in city spaces that are sanitised and unwelcoming. We need only look to Hondo Enterprise’s disastrous and ill-intentioned takeover of Brixton, south London, for an example of how, when actioned incorrectly and insidiously, private interests can not only destroy the soul of a city but actively contribute to further economic marginalisation.


Amen.
 
Press roundup.








Hopefully Buzz got a significant upsurge in traffic from all this too!
 
Press roundup.








Hopefully Buzz got a significant upsurge in traffic from all this too!
The most popular related article - by miles - was our coverage of the amazing street party celebrating the demise of the tower. And what a party that was :)
 
This fucking moron fails to realise that the tower was going to be 20 floors of (mainly empty) office space and that it broke Lambeth's own planning directives. He seems to think it was all going to be shops.


This article is lazy "young" tory bullshit, with only a vague grasp of empirical reality. Who are, for example, "the anti-.housing brigade"? And who still talks about "yuppies"? Also, it suggests campaigners against Hondo claimed the tower would drive up rents for local businesses. Rents have already been driven up, by the same character who wanted to put up Hondo. And, finally, if you oppose gentrification, you are "resistant to prosperity"? Twat!
 
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This article is lazy "young" tory bullshit, with only a vague grasp of empirical reality. Who are, for example, "the anti-.housing brigade"?

The very first paragraph addresses that very question. The typical view he thinks, is that they're old, white, rural and affluent. He then explains that there are people in urban areas, such as Brixton, who are different to that. The implication is that people in Brixton might be expected to be more progressive and less conservative.

And who still talks about "yuppies"?

He didn't use the word Yuppies. He did use the phrase 'upwardly mobile'. What phrase would you prefer him to use to describe someone moving to a higher social class by acquiring wealth and status. You've confused your anger for the word with your anger for the concept.

Also, it suggests campaigners against Hondo claimed the tower would drive up rents for local businesses. Rents have already been driven up, by the same character who wanted to put up Hondo.

He explains that "The land value in Brixton has exploded in recent years owing to its Zone 2 location and well-connected tube station." His argument is that rent rises are inevitable in this location, and have little to do with property developers in general, or this one in particular. You believe that rents have been driven up by this developer, he believes it's just about locaton.

And, finally, if you oppose gentrification, you are "resistant to prosperity"?

He doesn't say that. He says that we shouldn't mock people who are resistant to prosperity, but should try to help them through the process. It's a reasonable argument by any standard.


You use crude insults because you haven't got an argument.


I'm now going to put you on ignore. I'm sure you understand why.
 

He says clearly in the fifth paragraph:



You called him a 'fucking moron' and then lied about what he wrote.
Does he mention the fact that the development was overwhelming for office space? As in something like 90% with no affordable units? No, he lazily and ignorantly bangs on about a 'sea of Prets and All Bar Ones' as if that was the only issue, and forgets all about the well document huge decline in demand for office space.

He also omits the fact that the tower broke Lambeth's own planning regulations, would be 100m taller than is permitted and was opposed by a diverse range of local residents, the local MP, the Victorian Society, English Heritage and the Brixton Society? Or the fact that Hondo's own skewed survey found 73% of locals did not want the tower - so why are you supporting someone so opposed to local democracy? Do you think developers should just be able to get whatever they want?

And any clueless clown claiming that 'Gentrification has a bad name' clearly knows nothing about the process or the misery, division and displacement it causes communities. But then he wouldn't know anything about that kind of thing being the kind of Tory hack who appears on right wing shit like GB News and has zero connection with Brixton.

During gentrification, poorer communities are commonly converted to high-end neighborhoods with expensive housing options such as high-rises and condominiums.[4] As property prices increase, the original residents of the neighborhood are forced out in a variety of ways. First, with an increase in the prices of buildings, the gap between the price of the building and the income that the landlord gets from renting the building grows bigger; landlords thus increase rent prices, which forces out the low-income residents.[5] As building prices continue to increase, the problem exacerbates because it becomes even more profitable to convert these apartment buildings into non-residential areas. Additionally, since investors can earn more money from selling buildings, real-estate dealers have less incentive to improve the buildings. The real estate dealers instead sell the buildings at higher prices. This cycle of rising building prices continues until only large and well-financed investors are able to continue


 
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