Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[butchersapron]

presumably that means exactly which mouths the lies that the sun repeated came from?

Well we know that now i think - the police feds sec, the MP for Clegg's seat and whites press agency.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Idiots on Radio Sheffield phone in going on about, ''what about 'Heysel?''

I find myself arguing with these knobs every time the disaster is mentioned in the press - at.the next home match. There's a thread about.this on the fans forum, the odd sensible poster but the rest are coming out with that and offensive crap about the families just wanting compo. I'm tempted.to.just leave them to think this idiotic crap but when.I finish work I'll probably argue with them, lose my rag and get myself banned. The twats think that anyone who wants justice is attacking the club and by extension the fans. Sorry about shot grammar, posting from my phone and my fingers are too big for the buttons.

 

[Ted Striker]

Did he just really say "we all kind of went along with it (the narrative)"?

 

[Treacle Toes]

A little reminder:

This is the attitude that has stood in the way for 23 years. Justice and peace for all involved today #JFT96 pic.twitter.com/5dpzCsv8

 

[butchersapron]

Cameron dodged the question of criminal charges for police regarding conspiracy.

 

[purenarcotic]

Again skirting around questions about getting justice.

 

[butchersapron]

A little reminder:

Let's get that text on here:

The extreme reaction to Mr Bigley's murder is fed by the fact that he was a Liverpudlian. Liverpool is a handsome city with a tribal sense of community. A combination of economic misfortune - its docks were, fundamentally, on the wrong side of England when Britain entered what is now the European Union - and an excessive predilection for welfarism have created a peculiar, and deeply unattractive, psyche among many Liverpudlians. They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it. Part of this flawed psychological state is that they cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance against the rest of society. The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool's failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident.

 

[DaveCinzano]

...the MP for Clegg's seat...

Go easy on the doddery auld fella, wasting away in his tiny £5 million house in SW1, bought with Apartheid profits.

 

[Firky]

There's a big piece on Radio 2 at the moment about it.

 

[butchersapron]

Go easy on the doddery auld fella, wasting away in his tiny £5 million house in SW1, bought with Apartheid profits.

Yep, he was sort of a father figure to the hang mandela crowd and very vocal supporter of apartheid.

 

[Firky]

A little reminder:

I've seen that before but it still has a gobsmackingpunch.

 

[treelover]

Helen Jackson(ex Sheff Hillsborough LP MP) seemed to be defending police, etc on Radio Sheffield..

 

[Teaboy]

PM now skirting round whether all documentation relating to the disaster is now in the public domain. 'Some documents which won't be revealed for data protection purposes'

Reporting on 5 live now that there have been no papers released regarding the police's dealing with the home sec just notes from the home sec reporting the meeting. So we still don't know what the police told the government.

 

[agricola]

presumably that means exactly which mouths the lies that the sun repeated came from?

Well exactly. I am struggling to think why - to use Cameron's position today - the Sun would run false stories from South Yorkshire Police that contrasted so much with what everyone else was saying, or why over twenty years successive governments would have gone to such lengths to protect senior officers - who had all resigned - at South Yorkshire Police who had lied to them (the government), edited statements and been responsible for the disaster.

 

[agricola]

Reporting on 5 live now that there have been no papers released regarding the police's dealing with the home sec just notes from the home sec reporting the meeting. So we still don't know what the police told the government.

and yet Cameron has suggested the Government was lied to by South Yorkshire Police.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Just seen this:

'I've heard that the families get the Hillsborough papers at 9am, press at 12pm, PM statement at 12:30pm, families statement at 14:30.

The Liverpool Echo is liveblogging events and reaction from 10am
http://live.liverpoolecho.co.uk/Event/Hillsborough_Files_report'

 

[treelover]

wrong post..

 

[treelover]

Well exactly. I am struggling to think why - to use Cameron's position today - the Sun would run false stories from South Yorkshire Police that contrasted so much with what everyone else was saying, or why over twenty years successive governments would have gone to such lengths to protect senior officers - who had all resigned - at South Yorkshire Police who had lied to them (the government), edited statements and been responsible for the disaster.

Thatcher?

 

[articul8]

Yep, he was sort of a father figure to the hang mandela crowd and very vocal supporter of apartheid.

what a c***

 

[DaveCinzano]

Go easy on the doddery auld fella, wasting away in his tiny £5 million house in SW1, bought with Apartheid profits.

Is Sir Irvine Patnick OBE still a director of the Association of Conservative Clubs?

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00457188

 

[cesare]

Let's not forget the effect of the poll tax, and general mood of the nation at the time. Govt desperate to do anything to avoid feeding the flames.

 

[purenarcotic]

Is Cameron going to say anything other than 'I need to read the report'. Also, when asked if he would read the report from cover to cover, I notice he never actually said 'yes', just skirted around. What an arsehole.

 

[agricola]

Thatcher?

It would have had to have been someone senior, both to authorise the cover up, feed lines to the Sun that they felt sure enough to run with, and to ensure that it was maintained up to this point.

 

[purenarcotic]

Question: 'will you secure some money so that services that provide support can continue to do so'
PM: 'irrelevant waffle about apologising being right'

 

[Teaboy]

So basically the government at the time (and all subsequent governments) knew the police were making it all up but went along with the cover up because they were worried about the Polices image. Well thats just splendid.

 

[Libertad]

Irvine Patnick, anyone come across an address for this cunt?

eta PM me

 

[Teaboy]

It would have had to have been someone senior, both to authorise the cover up, feed lines to the Sun that they felt sure enough to run with, and to ensure that it was maintained up to this point.

Basically they are throwing the police to the wolves. I do hope that a senior officer with SY Police kept good notes of his meetings with the government, because strangly no other notes seem to exist.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes. I think he made a speech in the City a few years where he backed up what he said.

6 years ago: MacKenzie's Hillsborough - 'The Sun told The Truth'

Mr MacKenzie apologised publicly when the Press Complaints Commission condemned his paper's descriptions of Liverpool fans urinating on the Hillsborough dead and stealing from their bodies, in an edition headlined "The Truth". But judging by his comments to a business lunch staged by the law firm Mincoffs in Newcastle upon Tyne, he did not mean a word of it. "I was not sorry then and I'm not sorry now," Mr MacKenzie told his audience. "All I did wrong there was [to] tell the truth." Unrepentant barely defines what followed next from Mr MacKenzie. Responding to a seemingly innocuous question about how often he visited Liverpool, he launched into a general attack on Liverpudlians - possibly unaware that a journalist from The Journal newspaper was present.

He said of Hillsborough: "There was a surge of Liverpool fans who had been drinking and that is what caused the disaster. The only thing different we did was put it under the headline 'The Truth'. I went on [BBC Radio 4's] World at One the next day and apologised. I only did that because Rupert Murdoch told me to. I wasn't sorry then and I'm not sorry now because we told the truth."

 

[Teaboy]

Christ this should be a good day but I am furious. Can't imagine what the friends and families are going through.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Irvine Patnick, anyone come across an address for this cunt?

eta PM me

"An address" would be found in places like these:

http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/909129558

http://www.toryclubs.co.uk/