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The yanks ae bleating as they think the next step is Greece NATO exit , loss of border controls and terrorists flooding ashore to kill us in our beds

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-risks-nato-withdrawal-new-surge-of-refugees
Quote from Bloomberg: "If Greece ultimately is pushed off the euro currency for defaulting on its debt, it could seek revenge by pulling out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, blocking European Union sanctions on Russia or forcing the U.S. from its naval base in Crete, said Stavridis, a Greek-American who is dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Massachusetts.


“A Greece that feels unloved and pushed out is less likely to be helpful” to the U.S. and Europe, he said".


The above quote is a small part of the Blooburg article which is a news source that is heavily biased against Syriza which is seen by the Americans as a dangerous threat to the whole neo-liberal economics current (coded as "inexperienced) If the Americans, whether they are Greek/Americans or straight up monetarists want to get their opinions over then perhaps they could put their hands in their pockets and support Greece financially. It would have to be better than the panic scenario which has the whole of Europe and American interests destroyed by Grexit.
 
I can't read the Telegraph but the Guardian is saying it's interviewed Varoufakis who told them:

If that is what he genuinely thinks then he really has no business being in that job - recovery after a default where they stayed in the Euro would be impossible, for a start.
 
Quote from Bloomberg: "If Greece ultimately is pushed off the euro currency for defaulting on its debt, it could seek revenge by pulling out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, blocking European Union sanctions on Russia or forcing the U.S. from its naval base in Crete, said Stavridis, a Greek-American who is dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Massachusetts.


“A Greece that feels unloved and pushed out is less likely to be helpful” to the U.S. and Europe, he said".


The above quote is a small part of the Blooburg article which is a news source that is heavily biased against Syriza which is seen by the Americans as a dangerous threat to the whole neo-liberal economics current (coded as "inexperienced) If the Americans, whether they are Greek/Americans or straight up monetarists want to get their opinions over then perhaps they could put their hands in their pockets and support Greece financially. It would have to be better than the panic scenario which has the whole of Europe and American interests destroyed by Grexit.

Mood music to prepare the return of the colonels?
 
Counter to both yes and no? Are they against the whole idea of a ballot. You make no sense to me.
Might be, Merkel is now refusing to talk to the Greeks until after their plebiscite on two options, neither of which are on the table. In her eyes it will decide something not on the ballot paper : Who goes -Tsipras or Greece?


(Is a yes to EU terms rally)
 
Might be, Merkel is now refusing to talk to the Greeks until after their plebiscite on two options, neither of which are on the table. In her eyes it will decide something not on the ballot paper : Who goes -Tsipras or Greece?

everything is still on the table.
 
Can anyone tell me why the Greek government would walk out of negotiations in order to hold a referendum (presumably to give them a stronger negotiating hand) but then put another offer forward before the referendum?

I can't work it out unless it's a tactic to further shore up support at home by painting themselves as the only party that's been serious about negotiating?
 
Can anyone tell me why the Greek government would walk out of negotiations in order to hold a referendum (presumably to give them a stronger negotiating hand) but then put another offer forward before the referendum?

I can't work it out unless it's a tactic to further shore up support at home by painting themselves as the only party that's been serious about negotiating?

IMHO the referendum is about protecting themselves more than anything - its hard to see how they could either go down the grexit route or sign up to what they are being told to, and survive as a government in either case, without getting public approval for it beforehand. Any government, in any democratic country, would probably have to take a similar step - which is what makes the hostility from some parts of the EU even more annoying than it is.
 
IMHO the referendum is about protecting themselves more than anything - its hard to see how they could either go down the grexit route or sign up to what they are being told to, and survive as a government in either case, without getting public approval for it beforehand. Any government, in any democratic country, would probably have to take a similar step - which is what makes the hostility from some parts of the EU even more annoying than it is.
Doing it when they did, when itwas too late to have the referendum before the deadline was bad faith to both their creditors and their electorate. A week earlier and I'd buy the rhetoric. As it is, the drowning man clutching at anything he can.
 
Syriza are still doing everything they can in my view to stick to their guns while recognising they don't have a full mandate.

see this? This is this. This ain't something else. This is this.

Syriza is the last gasp of European social democracy as we historically understand it. If they fail to materially improve or to create the environment to materially improve the lot of the Greek majority then we will never see its like again.
 
Doing it when they did, when itwas too late to have the referendum before the deadline was bad faith to both their creditors and their electorate. A week earlier and I'd buy the rhetoric. As it is, the drowning man clutching at anything he can.

Everyone is acting in bad faith, though. The EU knows what signing up to the proposed deal, or one of the previously proposed deals, would do to the Greek government. They would probably also have vehemently opposed a referendum held on the issue whenever it was held.
 
Syriza is the last gasp of European social democracy as we historically understand it. If they fail to materially improve or to create the environment to materially improve the lot of the Greek majority then we will never see its like again.

Which is why the reports of what Varoufakis was saying earlier are so alarming, it makes you think that they really do not have an idea of how to get out of it.
 
Doing it when they did, when itwas too late to have the referendum before the deadline was bad faith to both their creditors and their electorate. A week earlier and I'd buy the rhetoric. As it is, the drowning man clutching at anything he can.
a very silly position, especially considering the EU have never been negotiating in 'good faith'

Having at any earlier would simply have meant (especially to those who were already and always going to see Syriza as the culprit) that they would be portrayed as not negotiating seriously at all. If they announced the referendum three weeks ago, to be held last sunday, odds on the EU would have stopped any negotiations there and then, Syriza wouldn't have been able to propose a deal like the one they finally did offer - which included the cuts - and they'd have been portrayed as being simply desperate to pull out of the EU.

This isnt just about economics, dont forget, Merkel et al want to do their utmost to destroy Syriza and everything they stand for.
 
Because of its irrelevance. Because of not having any relation to what's going on, because of it never being brought up as part of any negotiating positions and because of your outdated US VS EU capital perspective.
 
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