Greek elections
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
You leave the country if you can, or you stay and you starve. The EU is playing beggar-my-nieghbour. Thats a moral crime and worse, its dangerous. Desperate people do desperate things
ska invita
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Good piece in the telegraph scathingly berating the troika institutions and painting Syriza as acting with fairness and rationality http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...k-debt-crisis-is-the-Iraq-War-of-finance.html
I guess the torygraph does have an anti-eu agenda, but still, maybe this isnt anti-eu point scoring, but just a realistic account
I guess the torygraph does have an anti-eu agenda, but still, maybe this isnt anti-eu point scoring, but just a realistic account
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Good account here of the bailout (socialisation of private losses) that caused Greece's sovereign debt crisis. The old "here's a loan to pay off the bankers...err why are you so in debt?" line.
https://medium.com/bull-market/greece-the-euro-and-gunboat-diplomacy-3193983d8336
https://medium.com/bull-market/greece-the-euro-and-gunboat-diplomacy-3193983d8336
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Doubt it, but he has got to be seen to surrender on some things...otherwise....the 'moral hazard' of electing anti-austerity administrations would threaten the neo-lib superstate.Has Tsipras surrendered everything then?
Has Tsipras surrendered everything then?
Waiting for Podemos innit.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm increasingly incredulous about the 'borrow money to pay the interest on money you owe' thing. Its lunacy. I mean whats the goal here- to turn greece into some euro-sweatshop Special Economic Zone where the 12 year olds are stitching trainer logos.
It just doesn't make any sense, not even if you have the morals of a snake, it doesn't add up.
It just doesn't make any sense, not even if you have the morals of a snake, it doesn't add up.
03gills
Professional Cockwomble
Bloody hell, one the most reasoned articles I've seen on the Telegraph since... well... ever.
Even right wingers can see that what financial markets are doing with Greece is wrong.
A quote from the article...
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
One of my old supervisors used to babysit him. During the Clinton years he was an aggressive conspiraloon.
ska invita
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its a small world
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
its a small world
But yes, that's a good piece. Of course, what Burkean conservatives never realise is that the preconditions for their utopia have been dead for more than a century.
What the deuce are you on about now?
Burke was the most anti-utopian thinker in history. Read the Reflections: "I cannot conceive how any man can have brought himself to that pitch of presumption, to consider his country as nothing but carte blanche, upon which he may scribble whatever he pleases."
Anti-utopianism is the whole point of Burke, you berk.
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Usury innit. Logic ain't the point.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Can't you just call it 'interest' like normal people?
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
....well tbf Ambrose E-P has been writing pretty much the same anti-austerity / anti-troika critique throughout the crisis, for killing growth and stoking deflation...anyway the euro-zone is saved....again...( how many times are we up to now ? )
E.E. Evans-Pritchard being a noted anthropologist ofcourse...
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And the Burkean utopia is that state of affairs where anti-utopianism is politically hegemonic.
ska invita
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last time i checked polls showed 74% of greeks wanted to stay in the euro - there isnt a huge appetite for an exit and they can see how hard it is for Syriza to gain any ground...what option do they have? On balance at least Greek voters see their elected government putting up a fight
Well, that's kind of the problem - most greeks want to stay in the euro but then they have elected a government to have a specific mandate to sail very close to the wind, on the best reading.
Whatever the government you elect, as an elector, you have to understand that the government's manifesto and mandate will lead to consequences, many of which you might not prefer. That is the nature of democratic government; this is the nature of power.
It looks like a deal will now be hobbled together, however the consequences of that not happening are yawningly intimidating - no less than a nation thrust into a maw of darkness.
No. Because (a) it's not the same thing, and (b) it lacks the requisite sense of moral opprobrium.
The postmodern world is ruled by usury, with all the attendant social, cultural and (above all) ethical implications. People need to remember exactly what those implications are.
Ramazan here.
Yes, riba is a better term than "interest." But "usury" is better than either.
Oh alright.
A much under-rated thinker, was Burke. The Reflections are almost unbelievably perspicacious, and not just regarding France. He understood that, how and why revolutions inevitably lead to tyranny long before anyone else.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Do as you please. All I'm saying is that words have history.
