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Golliwog in the window - should this really be in court?

yer, theres a few other strange things in enid blyton's stories tho.

In The Famous Five series characters called ‘Dick’ and ‘Fanny’
Noddy and Big Ears sharing a bed together
Five on Treasure island - Georgina insist on being called George because boys are stronger
There was Gaylands School in another Famous Five book
And there was that whole subtext of lesbianism in Malory Towers
 
to be fair to Nanker though (although I'm sure he can speak for himself!), I think he did say that he understands that all of that developed.

While I do understand what you mean about yesteryear's "innocence", there was active anti-racism at the time too; there were other options.
I agree. And I guess that today's anti-racism didn't come from nowhere - the seeds were sown a long way back.

But even in my lifetime, I've seen the situation change dramatically. I'm 49 - so not THAT old - and when I was a kid, a family moved in just over the road, from I think Barbados. It's probably some credit to my parents that the most unusual thing about them that I recall noticing was that their youngest was called "Junior", which I though was a very strange name to give someone! :)

But there were attitudes in the street that I'd now recognise as racist, even though back then I didn't know what that was, given that I only really noticed in passing that this family were even black in the first place. I can remember neighbours talking about "that kind" or "those people", even while they were happy to be good neighbours to the family as individuals: they weren't actively racist to them as individuals, in the sense that they were daubing signs on the door or lobbing bricks through the window, but their attitudes were distinctly racist (with hindsight) towards them as members of an ethnic group. And, I suspect, if someone had challenged them about those attitudes, they'd have felt quite offended because they would have thought they were being "nice" to the family.

I think that's what I mean by "innocence". Perhaps "naïvety" might have been a better word...but then I was naïve, too, just in a different way.

And I remember the telling-off I got when I casually used the word "paki", which I had presumably picked up in the playground as a descriptor for people of Indian origin - so it worked the other way around, too.
 
In The Famous Five series characters called ‘Dick’ and ‘Fanny’
Noddy and Big Ears sharing a bed together
Five on Treasure island - Georgina insist on being called George because boys are stronger
There was Gaylands School in another Famous Five book
And there was that whole subtext of lesbianism in Malory Towers


also a bit of bdsm as I recall
 
Working class people have never read Enid Blyton books? Behave. :D
Of course. But do you think they were written with working-class children in mind? Do they reflect any kind of working-class experience? Do you think it's even possible for a middle-class writer to do that? There's a reason Noddy and The Famous Five were more widely read than Mallory Towers.

Plus I was referring more generally back to the 19thC, when illiteracy was far more common.
 
Of course. But do you think they were written with working-class children in mind? Do they reflect any kind of working-class experience? Do you think it's even possible for a middle-class writer to do that? There's a reason Noddy and The Famous Five were more widely read than Mallory Towers.

Plus I was referring more generally back to the 19thC, when illiteracy was far more common.

And now we've reached the age of universal enlightenment The Sun is the biggest selling newspaper. :D

Not sure what my point is really other than racism does exist in working class communities. As you well know.
 
Of course it does, much of it fostered by the ruling class. But none of this history can be laid at their door, by definition they were not responsible for golliwogs or racist literature. And the active anti-racists of the time were generally working-class.
 
My post follows from post 190 - citizen's comment, and ymu's reply.
I'm not sure how much point there is in pursuing this, since it looks to me as if you're quite determined to read things a certain way, but
ymu did say they were "referring more generally back to the 19th century, when illiteracy was far more common", which I took to mean that it was more likely that children in working class families would be more likely to be illiterate than children further up the social hierarchy, and therefore less likely to be less likely to be accessibly by children in working class families.

None of which seems to be particularly critical in regard to the thread itself.
 
Apologies if there's a thread elsewhere, but an appalling story: pub displays 'gollies' and gets a visit from the police. Usual unconvincing 'we are not racist' defence till it emerges the landlord was photographed in a Britain First T Shirt. Braverman pokes her nose in too. Astonishing stuff.
 
Ryley denied that she or her husband were racist. “I’m not a racist in any form.” She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”
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“That T shirt was just resting on my torso”
 
Apologies if there's a thread elsewhere, but an appalling story: pub displays 'gollies' and gets a visit from the police. Usual unconvincing 'we are not racist' defence till it emerges the landlord was photographed in a Britain First T Shirt. Braverman pokes her nose in too. Astonishing stuff.

Wow, that is one hell of a bump.
 
She also denies that the word ‘wog’ is racist. She said: “I won’t use that word because I’ve been told not to. But I don’t find that offensive.”

Of course you don't.

They'll double down on it and will become championed by the usual suspects. Probably end up with their own radio show.
 
“That T shirt was just resting on my torso”
Quote from the article is brilliant.

Ryley denied that she or her husband were racist. “I’m not a racist in any form.” She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”
 
Ryley denied that she or her husband were racist. “I’m not a racist in any form.” She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”

TBF, I've mixed Nike and Adidas on laundry day, but I'd've expected to be ostracised had I gone out in public.
 
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