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The Mayor of Blackburn has resigned, seeing as he broke lockdown rules by going to a wedding. The sodding Mayor!
Since the very beginning, Blackburn has consistently been up there at the top of the shitlist for high deaths, massive infection rates and all out awful lethal misery because of Covid 19.
What a cockwomble.
 
Two women in the US disguised themselves as grannies to get vaccinated - managed their first shot, but were rumbled when they went for the second.

That's a rollercoaster.

Totally disapprove of queue-jumping, whilst understanding the desire to do so.

They got away with having the first jab, so, from a public health perspective, shouldn't they have the second one at an optimal time relative to the first? The effect of a delay may have an impact on other people's health.

If you want to make an example of people (or rather, the behaviour) to discourage others from also trying to queue-jump, do it with the people you catch before their first dose.

"The girls." What? They were adult women.
 
That's a rollercoaster.

Totally disapprove of queue-jumping, whilst understanding the desire to do so.

They got away with having the first jab, so, from a public health perspective, shouldn't they have the second one at an optimal time relative to the first? The effect of a delay may have an impact on other people's health.

If you want to make an example of people (or rather, the behaviour) to discourage others from also trying to queue-jump, do it with the people you catch before their first dose.

"The girls." What? They were adult women.

if they were to get the second shot, they could at least be charged the full retail price for both
 
if they were to get the second shot, they could at least be charged the full retail price for both
USA prices? I don't know what that would be. They're selfish and wrong, but ruining them won't help. (Not saying you were suggesting that last bit.)
 
There seem to be a quite a few Health Care workers in here and I wonder if some light could be shone on the numbers of care home workers vaccinated in Wales compared to the numbers of residents vaccinated, in my health board the ratio is about 1.8 to 1 in favour of Care workers which makes bugger all sense to this simpleton.

Also in the figures of the vaccine inequality study shown on the PHW site then the only group that has no percentage uptake data are care home and health workers, this tells me they don't actually know how many they have or alternatively they don't have a defined criteria and are jabbing people that simply come forward and say they look after someone, hence they can give the number jabbed figure but not a percentage.y

This of course leaves the system open to abuse and it looks to me very much like it is being abused....what am I missing?
 
There seem to be a quite a few Health Care workers in here and I wonder if some light could be shone on the numbers of care home workers vaccinated in Wales compared to the numbers of residents vaccinated, in my health board the ratio is about 1.8 to 1 in favour of Care workers which makes bugger all sense to this simpleton.

Also in the figures of the vaccine inequality study shown on the PHW site then the only group that has no percentage uptake data are care home and health workers, this tells me they don't actually know how many they have or alternatively they don't have a defined criteria and are jabbing people that simply come forward and say they look after someone, hence they can give the number jabbed figure but not a percentage.y

This of course leaves the system open to abuse and it looks to me very much like it is being abused....what am I missing?
The care workers are the prime vector of transmission. It makes total sense to vaccinate them with greater priority than the residents they care for as this will reduce the probability of any residents becoming infected more quickly.. Additionally, the carers are minimum (or almost minimum) wage workers who are unable to flee work due to poverty and commonly 0-hour contracts. The infection rate of these people is extremely high. Carers have extremely close proximity to very vulnerable people who are huge risk of transmission to that worker.

I don't know about the second bit of your post
 
That theory doesn't fit with the claimed tactic of prioritising vaccination to those most likely to suffer serious illness or death, the elderly, vulnerable residents/patients should have been vaccinated first
 
That stuff has always been part of the recommendations and tactics, for bloody good and obvious reasons.

JCVI:

Health and social care workers
Frontline health and social care workers are at increased personal risk of exposure to infection with COVID-19 and of transmitting that infection to susceptible and vulnerable patients in health and social care settings. The committee considers frontline health and social care workers who provide care to vulnerable people a high priority for vaccination. Protecting them protects the health and social care service and recognises the risks that they face in this service. Even a small reduction in transmission arising from vaccination would add to the benefits of vaccinating this population, by reducing transmission from health and social care workers to multiple vulnerable patients and other staff members. This group includes those working in hospice care and those working temporarily in the COVID-19 vaccination programme who provide face-to-face clinical care.

There is evidence that infection rates are higher in residential care home staff (see references 22 to 25), than in those providing domiciliary care or in healthcare workers. Care home workers are therefore considered a very high priority for vaccination.

Prioritisation among health and social care workers
Frontline health and social care workers at high risk of acquiring infection, at high individual risk of developing serious disease, or at risk of transmitting infection to multiple vulnerable persons or other staff in a healthcare environment, are considered of higher priority for vaccination than those at lower risk. This prioritisation should be taken into account during vaccine deployment.

 
Lots of Europe showing significant rises basically a third wave, only a matter of time till we follow hopefully slightly reduced by increased vaccination but that will be somewhat offset by bad policy making by our government and the large proportion of fat stupid people we have.

OK. Why bother posting that? Surely you have something better to do, even in lockdown life?
 
Fuck off. Again. And don’t bother sending another petulant internet hard-man “make me” pm, you utter fucking flute.

I'll resist any more name calling as it appears you can only get away with it if you are one of the crew, I'll simply ask why are you inventing something that didnt happen?, I've never sent you a PM.


Please post this PM so I can see it
 
I'll resist any more name calling as it appears you can only get away with it if you are one of the crew, I'll simply ask why are you inventing something that didnt happen?, I've never sent you a PM.


Please post this PM so I can see it
Ah yes, the old "insider pile-on" gambit. So it hasn't occurred to you that it might just be that your comments are offensive to so many people that some kind of reaction was inevitable?

Make the most of the rest of your time here, because I don't think it's going to be infinite.
 
This is slightly worrying news. . . and something that I don't think is actually new, as I remember it being talked about at the beginning when it was thought 12 weeks in-between jabs might be too long.


It's been on my radar because while they are always talking about cancer patients undergoing treatment, what they really mean is neutropenia because of that treatment. Annoyingly neutropenia itself was actually left off the 'danger list', you had to specifically have cancer and be getting treatment. Just having cancer or just having neutropenia anyway wasn't included.

While the mention in the article is always 'cancer patients' it could be pregnant teens, elderly black people or anyone that just has it. It was only diagnosed in me after several trips to the doctor, where it was initially brushed off for years until one doctor sent me for hospital tests. . even then it took a while for them to figure it out. Anyone of any age might have it (develops at any time) and not know.

Luckily I have had the AZ which isn't mentioned in the article, but I think it more effective on first jab.
 
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