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I don't really see what's new here? Has there been any suggestion for months (or ever) that it doesn't travel in the air?
General Coronavirus (COVID-19) chat
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I don't really see what's new here? Has there been any suggestion for months (or ever) that it doesn't travel in the air?
ska invita
back on the other side
what i perceive to be different here is its one thing if someone spits and sneezes on you at close quarters, and another if in a closed environment the disease will spread at a distance..........as it gets cold windows are going to close and our environments are about to get a lot more contained - and therefore potentially more prone to contagionI don't really see what's new here? Has there been any suggestion for months (or ever) that it doesn't travel in the air?
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Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Wasn't there a story recently (South Korea, maybe?) about a woman sitting below the air conditioning that infected dozens of others in a cafe?
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Two people at my work now self-isolating after coming into contact with one of The Infected in circumstances that are not entirely clear. They await their test results.
Reassured to see head office respond quickly to the situation by telling everyone not to . . . discuss it on social media!
Reassured to see head office respond quickly to the situation by telling everyone not to . . . discuss it on social media!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Two people at my work now self-isolating after coming into contact with one of The Infected in circumstances that are not entirely clear. They await their test results.
Reassured to see head office respond quickly to the situation by telling everyone not to . . . discuss it on social media!
So, OK on here, being anti-social media.
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Buses in winter are perfect virus-spreading environments. Warm, humid, densely populated with folk getting on and off all the time. And in many places they're the only commuting option for those without private cars.
ska invita
back on the other side
this is my worry.
i go on two trains, one has windows that open, the other is sealed.
the one that is sealed (a thameslink train) i don't know if air is recycled or fresh brought in - you'd expect fresh air really.
on the train with open windows, people will want those closed when its cold and i dont think there's any other ventilation after that
nothing has happened yet, but its been a warm year this year - cold conditions haven't been tested yet
however there havent been a lot of reports otherwise - planes/trains/busses - aside from this Chinese case I haven't heard anything
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm not completely clear what areas thats supposed to mean but dead bus drivers certainly shouldnt be left out of the picture.
Coronavirus: Review ordered into London bus driver deaths
Transport for London (TfL) has announced that an independent review is to look at coronavirus infections and deaths among the capital's bus workers.
www.shponline.co.uk
Correction. Apparently Ireland has only 411 ICU beds
Ireland's ICU facilities can deal with just 411 patients, warn critical care specialists
Letter sent to Taoiseach and other politicians argues efforts must be made to identify how and where capacity can be quickly increased
And the situation is going to get a lot worse.
"By the end of the year, it is forecast that Ireland would need 1,037 out of the 1,573 available hospital beds to treat virus patients. Some 454 ICU beds would be needed with only 53 available, and 433 ventilators would be required."
Ireland may see 1,200 more Covid-19 deaths by 2021 if face mask use doesn't improve - US experts
Worst-case forecasts of 8,000 daily cases, ICU shortages and a ‘deadly December’
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Absolute flatline - no cases, no deaths. Whether that indicates a complete control of the virus, or a complete control of data being released to the general public, is anyone's guess.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Yes, there is always an aspect ofChina COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Absolute flatline - no cases, no deaths. Whether that indicates a complete control of the virus, or a complete control of data being released to the general public, is anyone's guess.
about their figures, although it's not like we can talk about government transparency either
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
So firstly, please let's not say "Far East", because it's outdated and absurdly vague for such a huge part of the world. There is East Asia and South East Asia, not just a mysterious lump where everyone eats dogs and uses chopsticks. What with East Asia and South East Asia being composed of various countries, they are actually having quite disparate experiences of the pandemic.
In China, since April we have had a local lockdown in Heilongjiang Province, a local lockdown in Jilin Province, a local lockdown in Beijing, a local lockdown in Dalian, and really, less than a fucking month ago, there was a lockdown in Xinjiang. None of which indicate secrecy or control of data do they, really?
So yeah, outbreaks are still being openly and publicly dealt with, but we are currently experiencing a rare streak where there's no known local transmission. It would be lovely if we never had an outbreak again, but we have to accept that this pattern of dynamic eradication is continuous, since it has been for several months now.
In China, since April we have had a local lockdown in Heilongjiang Province, a local lockdown in Jilin Province, a local lockdown in Beijing, a local lockdown in Dalian, and really, less than a fucking month ago, there was a lockdown in Xinjiang. None of which indicate secrecy or control of data do they, really?
So yeah, outbreaks are still being openly and publicly dealt with, but we are currently experiencing a rare streak where there's no known local transmission. It would be lovely if we never had an outbreak again, but we have to accept that this pattern of dynamic eradication is continuous, since it has been for several months now.
Yossarian
⏭️
After their mishandling and cover-ups in the early days of the pandemic, nobody's ever going to trust anything the Beijing regime says about it again, not that anything they say could have been trusted in the first place.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Just spoken to my parents who have been out at their place in Slovakia for the last two weeks - they are preparing to run their small classical music festival weekend as usual at the start of October. There's been a slight rise of cases in Bratislava, no cases at all currently in their area of Eastern Slovakia (opposite end from B'slava). Masks are compulsory in shops, and in restaurants when not eating, but otherwise I think things are just carrying on, presumably with distancing. As my mum has pointed out, it's not a country where people move around from place to place much, certainly not in the fairly rural east. They are supposed to be coming back mid October, but my sister and I have now both said that they might just be better seeing out the winter there - they'll have much more freedom of movement, much lower likelihood of catching it and, if God forbid they did catch it and need hospitalising, almost certainly better healthcare where they'd intervene earlier than here (there's a hospital with A&E 500m from their house and a big regional hospital half an hour away).
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Apparently in Colombia, they broke out some medieval punishment methods for those caught breaking quarantine rules:
en.wikipedia.org
Stocks - Wikipedia
I was piled on by the resident keyboard warriors for suggesting this earlier, but in light of the recent problems with the Oxford Trials they might have a think before their next outburst
Many are blindly accepting what the Drug companies and University Research Departments tell them whilst forgetting they are all competitors doing their best to make financial and/or reputational gains
Inside Oxford’s Vaccine Saga: From Wild Hype to Sobering Reality
Linked to the above is news of proposals by the EU, USA and individual countries to plan a legal way to start vaccine delivery without the usual final approvals
Europe eyes loophole for early distribution of unlicensed coronavirus vaccine
Many are blindly accepting what the Drug companies and University Research Departments tell them whilst forgetting they are all competitors doing their best to make financial and/or reputational gains
Inside Oxford’s Vaccine Saga: From Wild Hype to Sobering Reality
Linked to the above is news of proposals by the EU, USA and individual countries to plan a legal way to start vaccine delivery without the usual final approvals
Europe eyes loophole for early distribution of unlicensed coronavirus vaccine
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Oh, fuck off, you big old drama queen. FWIW, I have no idea what you wrote after that, because I ignored it.
Get over yourself.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Nah, Im half way through writing my paper on people withlow self esteem who hide behind internet tough guy personas and this place is a gold mine
Supine
Newt Member
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
What a fine and excellently-researched piece of work I imagine that must be.
prunus
Tick tock.
What a fine and excellently-researched piece of work I imagine that must be.
They always say “write what you know”...
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Daughter #2 struggling with the first online lesson session today. Her college is using Microsoft Teams, which is some sort of communication tool - but the first group she tried to join failed to connect, and then she was told that you only get one chance to connect and the teacher can't reinvite her. 
Absolute clusterfuck - do they not understand they are going to have technical issues, dropped connections, etc?
Absolute clusterfuck - do they not understand they are going to have technical issues, dropped connections, etc?Daughter #2 struggling with the first online lesson session today. Her college is using Microsoft Teams, which is some sort of communication tool - but the first group she tried to join failed to connect, and then she was told that you only get one chance to connect and the teacher can't reinvite her.
Teams is dead simple to use and its the go to system for a lot of business these days. Logging in and back in if the signal drops is usually really easy and just a click of a button. It sounds like the college has added some plug ins or something. All very odd.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Yeah - it seems like they've set it up to only allow joining at the beginning, because the lesson vanished from her schedule after she failed to join it the first time, so she has no way to find her way back to it.
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