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The rule is for when the trains are filling up when people go back to work
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The rule is for when the trains are filling up when people go back to work
I guess it starts on the 15th officially. Still seems a weak effort like most of the UK so far.
The final straw 
amp.theguardian.com
Yeast of our worries: Marmite supplies hit by Covid-19 beer brewing slowdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian
Company says due to brewer’s yeast being in short supply, production of the spread has been affected
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
When my middle daughter still lived at home, she loved that shit, She would toast a slice of thick toast, get a spoon and slather it with the vile crap and just wolf it down.The final straw
Yeast of our worries: Marmite supplies hit by Covid-19 beer brewing slowdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian
Company says due to brewer’s yeast being in short supply, production of the spread has been affected
It made everyone else in the house heave just sniffing it. She lives with her boyfriend and either he must like it as well or he has no sense of smell whatsover.
The final straw
Yeast of our worries: Marmite supplies hit by Covid-19 beer brewing slowdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian
Company says due to brewer’s yeast being in short supply, production of the spread has been affected
I'm no fan of Marmite, but I'm giving this an
for the words 'due to brewer's yeast being in short supply'
£200m (and likely more) spent to treat 51 patients.
www.bbc.com
Coronavirus: London's NHS Nightingale 'treated 51 patients' - BBC News
The temporary field hospital in the ExCel centre was built to care for up to 4,000 coronavirus patients.
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Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
While I'm firmly in the camp that the government royally fucked up the response to the pandemic, I'm inclined to give them a pass here. The fact Nightingale wasn't needed just means that the lockdown and the rules they did enforce, albeit way too late, did make enough of a difference that we didn't overwhelm the NHS to the extent that we needed to use temporary field hospitals. That feels like a win, regardless of how you feel about the rest of it.
I get that.
Would have preferred a better funded NHS, promised hospitals built and MOST important lockdown two weeks earlier.
This, like the testing, track and trace, app and a lot of other shit has been a massive waste of money not to mention the deaths caused.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Totally, plenty of fuck ups, but these weren't them at all. Nobody knew how it was going to go, preparing for the worst and the possibility of NHS facilities being over-whelmed was essential. It also might still be used this winter.
It won't be. They are clearing it out July 1st.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Well, quite, I think we can all agree on that. But if they hadn't built Nightingale and it turned out the country did need it, we'd be having a quite different conversation.
I do get it but still...
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I read somewhere that it was closed because there weren't enough NHS staff to keep it open, although I've not seen that confirmed anywhere else. Could they otherwise not have treated patients there to take the load off other hospitals who could have then admitted their usual patients, who've gone without treatment over that time?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No, it (although they really, as there's a load of them around the country) was not used as their weren't the patients to use it. There were issues with them though, not least a war of egos among the various agencies staffing them (military, NHS, Trusts, gov, etc.) and deciding what category of patients to take in them, which is a much more complicated decision that it might appear at first.
The Trust I worked for at the time was asked to provide some staff for the Harrogate one (as were the other Trusts in the area), but it was really a small number (maybe 15 in total of a few types) to do a 4 week rotation. They got plenty of volunteers (including me), so staffing wouldn't have been an issue up here.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Those patients they shoved in care homes should have gone to nightingales
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That was one of the issues with deciding what patients to take. If you're not taking CV patients but a mix of others with a variety of diagnosed and undiagnosed conditions, then you need a massive range of staff skills and facilities, another huge problem to sort out.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Who would staff that then? All the nurses and doctors needed elsewhere? A whole load of new nursing home staff? And what about CV spreading in that facility, as people were being discharged for all sorts of reasons, some of which was they were due for it, or it was rushed a bit, not that they needed to be in hospital but were not allowed to be. Sorry, but that's a bonkers idea.
They didn't 'shove them in care homes'. They lived there, they discharged them back to their homes.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
No, they could have taken CV patients in Nightingale since that was set up to specialize in it, and other hospitals taken the patients they normally take.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
What type of CV patients though? That was one of the big sticking points. Critically ill, or ill enough to be in hospital but not critical? Or some mix? Or the care home people someone else suggested?
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Perhaps they should have thought of that first?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Well quite. And even without that surely they could fill up with critically ill since that's what it's specially there for, and if there aren't enough of them then separate out a ward for less-than-critically-ill.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, it's all that simple.
Between about 3 of you on here you can't even decide between whether they even should have been opened, or what patients they should have taken.
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yeah, it's all that simple.
I agree with others on here that it doesn't look like they should have been opened if they were going to be closed again haven hardly taken any patients. The money could have been diverted to other hospitals in the NHS that needed it.
And once it had been opened then it seems logical to take on critical patients and if they didn't have enough to be full then, separate out a ward to take on non-critical patients. At least that would free up other hospitals to take on patients that they would have been taking if it weren't for cv.
Doesn't that seem right? I don't want to get into an argument because you've been at the sharp end, but I'm not sure anyone on here has argued anything different.
Eta: I thought it was a good idea to build it at the time, but that was because I assumed they'd fill it up with patients.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
But we didn't know we weren't going to need them! Early on it looked like a possibility we might have. Can you imagine what a disaster and how much you'd be moaning if they'd not been opened and thousands of people died from a lack of facilities. It feels like this criticism is like you putting on a seatbelt at start of a drive, moaning that you didn't use it when you got back, then after ten drives moaning that installing it was a waste of money and time as it's not getting used.
I think what grates is people with no medical understanding making suggestions that make it obvious they don't understand a fraction of the complexities of dealing with sick patients, don't comprehend their own lack of knowledge, and then being certain that they have better answers than people that work in this area.
I think there are plenty of good criticisms to be made of stuff done by both the government and the NHS, but they'll get lost if people are just making criticisms of eveything and anything, including the things that worked or are working OK or well.
I think what grates is people with no medical understanding making suggestions that make it obvious they don't understand a fraction of the complexities of dealing with sick patients, don't comprehend their own lack of knowledge, and then being certain that they have better answers than people that work in this area.
I think there are plenty of good criticisms to be made of stuff done by both the government and the NHS, but they'll get lost if people are just making criticisms of eveything and anything, including the things that worked or are working OK or well.
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Ok - like I said (my ETA crossed your post) I agreed with it being built. I don't think anybody disagreed with that. It was closing it without using it that I and I presume others on here disagreed with.
Anyway I'll leave this.
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
They eat dogs too, you know.
Our vitamin K2 arrived in the post today.
While I could just be unlucky, I have broken more bones than the average person over the last ten years, so it can't hurt. Glad to have coronavirus research bring it to my attention.
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