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Cloo said:
My dad's (71, diabetic) view is that he's had a full life and he'll take his chances and things shouldn't be shut down for everyone else in order to protect him - but not everyone, probably not even most people, are going to feel that way!
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I think what triggered this little exchange was one of them meeting an 80 year old woman with this attitude. So they had a sample size of one to base it on.:facepalm:
 
Cloo said:
My dad's (71, diabetic) view is that he's had a full life and he'll take his chances and things shouldn't be shut down for everyone else in order to protect him - but not everyone, probably not even most people, are going to feel that way!
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But, it's not about him, lockdowns are introduced to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, like in Kent back in January.

I lost my cousin Sue back in January, because there was no available ventilator in Kent, she passed away whilst they tried to find somewhere to ship her out to.

Kent patients are going as far as Bristol and Leeds, more than 230 miles away. It emerged earlier this week that some patients had already been sent to hospitals in Portsmouth and Southampton.
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www.independent.co.uk

Kent hospitals ‘overwhelmed’ as ICU bed occupancy hits 137%

Exclusive: ‘There are people on the wards that ideally we would like in intensive care but we don’t have capacity,’ clinician tells The Independent
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Knotted said:
I think what triggered this little exchange was one of them meeting an 80 year old woman with this attitude. So they had a sample size of one to base it on.:facepalm:
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Yeah, I mean there will be a few misanthropes like my dad, but I don't think it's especially respresentative.
 
Knotted said:
Obviously there's more to the 80's than Thatcherism, but non of these guys had any involvement with the miners strike. I don't think any of them have had any involvement with strike action. Most of them would have worked hand to mouth for small sub contractors with no benefits at all or any union presence but for price work where they could make a reasonable sum of money if they put the effort and hours in (and that's the way it still is in this industry except for the big central government operation). And obviously they've all worked their way up to a small degree. The general ethos is of embittered acceptance of the way the world is with the government (in this case) gone a bit mad and authoritarian on them. But then they're used to that with council rules and bureaucracy and health and safety and all the "PC gawn mad". So they'll accept the Covid rules but mouth off about them. (The anti-vax conspiranut guy is different case with a different background). The real hardcore anti-vaxers and Covid sceptics are therefore much worse, but there's a few shades of shocking before you even get to that.
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That describes a lot people I know and most in my extended family
 
DietCokeGirl said:
Is it ever, ever going to end? Where is the bloody hope in the future in any of this? Is this just it now, forever? Proper had enough of it all.
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Just try n not sweat it. I know it sucks but a) we have a vaccine which is incredibly effective in it’s stated aim of reducing serious illness and death and b) the restrictions are pretty lightweight, just wear a mask, wfh if possible and show your vaxxed if you go to a big gathering.

I think there’s risk in over stressing about it. You’ll do your head in. (Not you in particular DietCokeGirl just everyone).
 
cupid_stunt said:
But, it's not about him, lockdowns are introduced to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, like in Kent back in January.

I lost my cousin Sue back in January, because there was no available ventilator in Kent, she passed away whilst they tried to find somewhere to ship her out to.



www.independent.co.uk

Kent hospitals ‘overwhelmed’ as ICU bed occupancy hits 137%

Exclusive: ‘There are people on the wards that ideally we would like in intensive care but we don’t have capacity,’ clinician tells The Independent
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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This has been the biggest misunderstanding I've encountered on a near daily basis throughout all this. The idea that lockdowns and masks aren't working to stop infections. I'm still surprised how many people don't understand that they're not designed to stop infection, but are in fact meant to slow the spread of it so health services aren't overwhelmed by a tsunami of infection.

I also encounter a lot of attitudes that Knotted mentioned (loons not withstanding). People begrudgingly accept restrictions but think they're stupid because they haven't been directly or have only been mildly effected by covid. Most of this comes down to piss poor messaging from the top and making light of it right from the start.

My condolences to your cousin.
 
I just managed to pick up 2 at local chemist - I had a code but Tesco pharmacy had big sign saying 'No LFTs, no delivery date' so I though 'Shit, probably going to have to forget it and hope some more turn up before we run out', but then saw as I walked home what looked like someone picking them up in small chemist opposite end of the road, so I went in and she said each household could have 2. We're not planning on doing a whole heap of seeing people but I think that should be enough to get us through next week or two at least as definitely thinking test before seeing anyone.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
This has been the biggest misunderstanding I've encountered on a near daily basis throughout all this. The idea that lockdowns and masks aren't working to stop infections. I'm still surprised how many people don't understand that they're not designed to stop infection, but are in fact meant to slow the spread of it so health services aren't overwhelmed by a tsunami of infection.
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Surely some of this is only a semantic difference.

Lockdowns and various guidance and other measures were very much designed to reduce the number of people getting infected. It is true that back when the UK government was persuing a doomed initial plan early in the first wave, they tried to justify their slack response by saying they were just trying to push down on the curve to spread the number of infections out, rather than try to suppress the wave. However that plan was abandoned quite quickly and we instead had stricter measures that pushed number of infections down to a very low level by June 2020. Its true that we didnt have an eradication policy so did not continue with that mission past a certain point, but still ended up having to repeat the cycle when another scary wave emerged. Many millions of people who would otherwise have been infected were spared from infection in those waves as a result of the restrictions and peoples behavioural changes.

However the vaccine era enabled thw UK government to return to something more closely resembling their original plan. So the approach to the delta wave was different, some measures such as massive number of people told to self isolate did stop the size of the wave from growing past a certain point, but then they were content to let the number of infections continue for months and months at a very high rate, but one that was not still doubling all the time.

I'm not a fan of the Delta-era plan. However it has happened to provide one useful demonstration that can deal with one crap stance and misconception that some people made use of in the previous waves. Clearly our lockdowns were rather late in the UK, and this caused plenty of people who were not fans of lockdowns to claim that those lockdowns made no difference to the peaks of those waves, because they came too late to reduce the peak that would have happened anyway. I dont think thats true, but it was sometimes hard to prove it. However because of the way Delta was allowed to persist at high levels, we can demonstrate via wave shape data what the effects of strong restrictions were on case numbers in the earlier waves AFTER the peaks of those waves. Cases in those earlier waves kept on coming down, and that didnt happen with Delta because we didnt have strong restrictions in place to get R below 1 for a prolonged period.
 
Absolute fucking prick of a cab driver just refused to put a mask on to bring me back from the garage (brakes fucked on car), even though I told him I had a heart condition and only had booster yesterday. He was about 26ish, 'exempt' (fuck off), hadn't tested recently 'didn't need to', and then tried to chat fucking merrily away! He apologised when we got to destination, so I just said 'worth keeping a mask in for vulnerable passengers' and got the fuck out. Still fuming. The lying selfish fucking prick.
 
sojourner said:
Just rang the shitty firm and told them I'm never using them again. Rang another firm and they were lovely! One booked for the morning, note on my number requesting that driver wear a mask.
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You should have added that if you come down with covid in the next week you’ll be taking legal action against their firm, as it’s their liability if he’s spreading covid around, rather than than the driver personally. Obviously not practical in real world terms, but might at least raise the chance of them doing something about him.
 
MrCurry said:
You should have added that if you come down with covid in the next week you’ll be taking legal action against their firm, as it’s their liability if he’s spreading covid around, rather than than the driver personally. Obviously not practical in real world terms, but might at least raise the chance of them doing something about him.
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I did ring to complain, but the gobshite on the phone said cos they're all self-employed, there's nothing they can do.
 
I was interested yesterday to see a covid-denying, anti-vax colleague wearing a mask all day, and properly, for the first time. They usually only wear it, dicknosed, if there's a chance the head of department might see them. They also said something about wishing for a time when people weren't infected by a horrible virus. First time they've acknowledged it as real, afaik.

Another colleague, whose attitude has been 'I wouldn't mind getting it - I could do with a couple of weeks off - ha ha' said that 'asymptomatic cases are the most dangerous'.

Omicron seems to have shit them up.
 
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