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Gaza under attack yet again.

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This banner at the demo last Saturday got me to look this group up. They have been around since seventies. See them selves as heirs to Jewish socialist tradition going back to the Bund.

The Jewish Bund was east European socialist group that was main rival to Zionism in pre war eastern Europe.

Largely wiped out by the Nazis. Some who survived the war ended up in this country.

From their website piece on a Polish Bund member who joined JWS.


Bund was also about sustaining Yiddish language and culture in Eastern Europe. As the article explains.

Bund advocated "hereness" staying in place in Eastern Europe rather than the Zionist "thereness" building a new society in Israel/Palestine.

"Neo Bundism" (which takes the hereness view and applies it to present day)has been criticized as it does not take into account that original Bundism was , this argument goes, specific to Eastern Europe if its time.


I don't know much about this. But the history and debates it are interesting.
pretty sure thats David Rosenburg holding the banner on the left, who does radical London walking tours
 
Yeah the JVL-isation of the JSG is why I won’t go anywhere near them now. I’ll go to a synagogue, I’ll meet with Jewish friends. Neither side of the great anti/zionist schism in The Jewish Community contain people id want to spend much time with.

I tried to get Na’amod interested in eugenic practices that are happening in this country to people with learning disabilities. They said it didn’t fit within their strategy. It’s very much a ‘there’ focussed Jewish organisation.

tbf I went to the JLM annual shindig and they weren’t interested in people being locked away and murdered in this country either.

never again eh Comrades
 
Well I'm speaking with a couple of people from the Palestinian Museum of Natural History tomorrow for the podcast. :eek: as it's a podcast about insects, I'm going to ask them stuff like how the Israeli occupation has affected their work and the effects it's had on the environment there. I kinda ... don't want every question to be about that though so I'm asking a lot about what sort of things they've found, how insects are seen in Palestinian culture and that sort of thing.

I'm really not comfortable with going on a big protest about Palestine any more tbh but am happy to do other stuff. Raised a few hundred quid for medical aid for Palestinians a few years ago (much to the annoyance of various pro Israeli acquaintances and family members) and I'd like to do something like that again tbh.
 
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yeah i appreciate that. I just don’t think it’s helpful to make claims that aren’t true. Palestinians (ie the people who lived there and hadn’t appeared recently as part of the new yishuv) didn’t own 100% of the land (nor did they have self determination).

statements that aren’t accurate are very swiftly used by ‘the zionists’ to ‘prove’ how dreadfully antisemitic Palestinian solidarity is, so why give them the ammo?

And anyway, the state of Israel now uses the ‘Jews were kicked out of Arab countries why can’t they just accept a population swap’ line, so I don’t see how ‘the land all belonged to the Palestinians’ (which it didn’t, in any sense) argument helps the Palestinian cause. And that’s even before the Zionists start brining up the Hebron massacre (1929 version).

I’m also not sure why me pointing this out is evidence I’m some secret hasbara agent or whatever.

Fair enough.

I've had a root around and found this guy Salman Abu Sitta As a child from middle class Palestinian family found himself a refugee.

Spent his life working in other countries. In his spare time compiled maps of Palestine. Researching in detail the geography of Palestine. His main argument was that their is enough land for Palestinians to return. He is not advocating that Jews lose homes. But that Palestinians and Jews could Co exist.

Apart from books of maps he has website with wealth of detail.

 
The Al-Nakba was 73 years ago, few of those involved in it will still be alive. Do their children and grandchildren still have a right to return? The Palestinians and their supporters say Yes. In the meantime three or four generations of Israeli have grown up there and consider it their rightful home. So we just go round and round and the killing goes on.

There is the option of right to return without further killing.

The mapmaker Salman Abu Sitta has spent lifetime studying the geography and reckons it is feasible.

Editor of Jewish Currents Peter Beinart presents practical suggestions here,


He points out that in 90s Israeli state managed to accommodate large number of Jews from former Soviet bloc. It depends on the political will to do it.
 
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There is the option of right to return without further killing.

The mapmaker Salman Abu Sitta has spent lifetime studying the geography and reckons it is feasible.

Editor of Jewish Currents Peter Beinart presents practical suggestions here,


He points out that in 90s Israeli state managed to accommodate large number of Jews from former Soviet bloc. It depends on the political will to do it.
The critical point is large number of Jews not large numbers of people, Israel is a Jewish state and is determined to remain so. I seriously doubt that they will ever be willing to admit large numbers of non-Jews since that will undermine it.
 
When considering questions such as the Palestinian refugee problem, I always think what would I be willing to say to a Palestinian refugee in say Lebanon. "You can't return because you will dilute the Jewish character of the country" doesn't really cut it.
 
Thought this was a good bit of writing.
“As kids, one of our favorite games was “shuhada’a.” It was a bit like “doctors and nurses,” in that one kid had to just lie there, doing nothing. But “shuhada’a” means “martyrs,” and in our game, one of us would lie perfectly still in a pretend coffin while the others carried it around chanting “Filistin Hurra” (Free Palestine).”

excellent piece
 
“As kids, one of our favorite games was “shuhada’a.” It was a bit like “doctors and nurses,” in that one kid had to just lie there, doing nothing. But “shuhada’a” means “martyrs,” and in our game, one of us would lie perfectly still in a pretend coffin while the others carried it around chanting “Filistin Hurra” (Free Palestine).”

excellent piece
It's behind paywall :(
 
When I was 9 years old, I was shot by the Israel Defense Forces. Most people I grew up with in Gaza have a story like this: a near miss, a face-to-face confrontation with a fatal bombing, a massacre. Mine is nothing special.

It was 1992, during the first intifada, and I was coming home from the afternoon shift at an overcrowded school for refugees. In those days, there were regular scenes of defiance and confrontation outside the school entrance, between the Israeli militarized vehicles doing their rounds and the kids from the secondary school nearby. To my 9-year-old self, the clashes were a huge inconvenience.

My favorite show, the American soap opera “The Bold and the Beautiful,” started 10 minutes after my last class, on Israel Channel 2. I looked forward to it all day, to watching it before my father, who wholly disapproved, returned home from his clinic.

I had to cross the street to get home. That day was a typical school day: Israeli jeeps on my right, classmates on my left. Barricades had been set up, tires were on fire, thick black smoke filled the air. Gunshots would burst out frequently. I waited for what felt like a reasonably long lull and then I ran across. I heard the bang at the same time that I felt a burning sensation in my calf. I blacked out with the image of Ridge and Brooke, the main protagonists of the show, finally reuniting.
 
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A neighbor took me to the hospital. Thankfully the injury wasn’t severe: A glancing shot, a mere flesh wound. But the pain was immense for weeks. I never did get to see that episode.

Now it’s 2021, and I’ve been living in Britain for 12 years, happily married with two young children. I was, and am, a lucky one. Luckier than lucky. Waking each morning for most of the last two weeks to scroll through the latest lists of the dead and swipe through pictures of my old neighborhood, school, university buildings and the places of my childhood destroyed, I asked myself: What’s so hard for people to understand? Home is a universal concept, isn’t it? You only have one home, and it’s precious. So why are some people still rotely saying that the situation in Gaza is complicated, or that it’s about religion? For many of us, it’s neither of these things.
And it’s not about Hamas either.

President Biden’s announcement about the cease-fire on Friday emphasized the diplomatic efforts conducted with Israel, the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Egypt, as mediator. He said that Gaza would be rebuilt with international help and that “we will do this in full partnership with the Palestinian Authority — not Hamas, the Authority — in a manner that does not permit Hamas to restock its arsenal.” But by pointedly excluding Hamas, the Biden administration only perpetuates the myth that Hamas is the central problem.

Hamas was democratically elected — in elections foisted upon Gaza by the Bush administration in 2006 with the blithe assumption that the mainstream secular party Fatah would win, led by the United States’ proxy hard man there, Mohammed Dahlan. Years of corruption— not to mention torture and human rights abuses — meant that many Gazans had lost faith in Fatah by then and weren’t prepared to vote the way Washington wanted them to. Hamas had been a militant Islamic resistance movement, born in the late 1980s, partly from Israel’s occupation of Gaza, and since it was a highly religious party, many of us assumed that at least it would be less corrupt.

Unfortunately, we don’t get elections every four years in Gaza, and Hamas’s victory was something that Gazans soon learned to regret. Critics of the government regularly are beaten, sometimes half to death, and freedoms are restricted. But we haven’t had a chance to vote Hamas out of power; 2006 was the last election we had.
Which is perfect for the Israelis. Hamas, with its iron grip and rocket attacks, is the ideal hook on which to hang all blame. Its popularity has declined since 2006, though that has been buoyed lately — but that, too, actually is irrelevant. What Palestinians think of Hamas has nothing to do with what they think of the right to a legitimate resistance. And most of us believe in the latter. Who wouldn’t in our position?

We knew that the rickety rockets shot from Gaza were all that the Israel Defense Forces and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu needed to redirect public attention on Israeli self-defense and away from the harms inflicted on Palestinians. This isn’t Hamas’s first rodeo. And the provocation that started all this, the expulsion of Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem, wasn’t just a provocation. It was an attack on the very last stand of everything Palestinians have ever fought for: home.

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians live in refugee camps, many elsewhere in the Middle East, often forgoing citizenship rights in that second country and passing on their statelessness to their children and grandchildren in the name of one thing. Home. No elected Palestinian government at this point is going to forget that and simply roll over just because some wannabe international peacemaker wants them to, for their career-boosting photo op in the Rose Garden. That’s been done already.
If any party other than Hamas were in power in Gaza right now, it might have tried to lobby for international support for the Palestinians of East Jerusalem a few days or weeks longer before launching rockets on Israel. But seeing its fellow countrymen and women made homeless, time and time again, would ultimately have forced the hand of even a non-Hamas government in Gaza, either drawing it into the fight or making it so unpopular for not getting involved that it’d be forced out of power. That’s why to focus on Hamas is to miss the point, and to reinforce the myth that the conflict is, in some fundamental manner, about the group. The conflict is about the Israeli occupation.

To focus on Hamas is also to sanitize the conflict, and in that way become complicit in it. It allows people to express sympathy for ordinary Palestinians while blaming a few people at the top of the Palestinian leadership. But the right to self-defense against Israel’s continued aggression belongs to all Palestinians; legitimate resistance cannot be a right only for those Palestinians who believe exclusively in nonviolent self-defense — not in the face of the violence we endure. We, Palestinians, are in this together.
For others to pretend that Israel is waging a war against Hamas, rather than against all Palestinians, is what allows the kinds of attacks and crimes of recent days to be repeated every few years.

And now, if the cease-fire does hold, the spectacular violence of the last two weeks will slip out of the news cycle as Palestinians go back to suffering, largely out of view, the slow-motion violence of Israel’s continued oppression — its blockade of Gaza, its militarization of the West Bank, more evictions of Palestinians.

As kids, one of our favorite games was “shuhada’a.” It was a bit like “doctors and nurses,” in that one kid had to just lie there, doing nothing. But “shuhada’a” means “martyrs,” and in our game, one of us would lie perfectly still in a pretend coffin while the others carried it around chanting “Filistin Hurra” (Free Palestine).

What do you expect from a people who are shot at as kids and given only a prison, or a camp, to live in as adults, instead of their home? It’s not complicated.


Basma Ghalayini is a translator from the Arabic and the editor of “Palestine +100: Stories From a Century After the Nakba.”
 
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The Angry Workers saying... more or less what you'd expect them to, really:
 
The critical point is large number of Jews not large numbers of people, Israel is a Jewish state and is determined to remain so. I seriously doubt that they will ever be willing to admit large numbers of non-Jews since that will undermine it.

Fair point.

To work towards the resolution of this conflict using the examples I've given does in end mean end of Zionism.

Whilst minority of those born in Israeli state might be prepared to do this (historian Pappe being one) I'm not sure if majority of Israeli public would support this. In which case the conflict will continue. Palestinians have shown themselves to be resilient. They aren't just going to go away.

Historian Pappe is uncompromising the Israeli state was founded on ethnic cleansing. And argues for one state solution.

His contemporary Benny Morris (historian/journalist) largely agrees Palestinians were forcibly expelled in order to found Israel. He argues that in the end this was necessary. Even if its nothing to be proud of. It was a historical necessity. Unlike the hard line settlers a moderate Zionist. He has also at times been critical of Israeli government actions. Can't help feeling he represents a lot of middle ground opinion. A state for Jewish people should be defended.
 
How come no one has yet condemned Hamas for firing over three thousand missiles at Israel? It was that action which resulted in the military response from Israel. People are always blaming Israel but what is Israel supposed to do in the face of a sustained missile attack?
 
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