Gaza under attack yet again.
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Fucking stupid reporting here:
'Isis' flag flown in east London
Flag similar to that of the jihadi group Islamic State flown outside housing estate on Poplar High Street
NOT an ISIS flag. Nor is it the "There is no God but..." slogan, though it does contain the word "Allah". Can't they read?
An ISIS flag (long version):
'Isis' flag flown in east London
Flag similar to that of the jihadi group Islamic State flown outside housing estate on Poplar High Street
NOT an ISIS flag. Nor is it the "There is no God but..." slogan, though it does contain the word "Allah". Can't they read?
An ISIS flag (long version):
FridgeMagnet
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Yeah, there is a thread about that one. I can believe Guardian journos being too lazy to find anyone who can read Arabic or who knows about stuff, but too lazy to Google I can't quite see.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they've got treelover worriedFucking stupid reporting here:
'Isis' flag flown in east London
Flag similar to that of the jihadi group Islamic State flown outside housing estate on Poplar High Street
NOT an ISIS flag. Nor is it the "There is no God but..." slogan, though it does contain the word "Allah". Can't they read?
An ISIS flag (long version):
Limerick Red
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Yip the one in Poplar is Islamic Jihads flag, innit?
FridgeMagnet
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The Palestinian Islamic Jihad has a yellow-on-black flag - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad_Movement_in_Palestine - not sure about others.
White-on-black shahada is a standard Islamist flag to be fair but the OMG ISIS stuff is just drivel.
Think that black flag in Poplar may also possibly have "la ilaha illa-llah" on it albeit in a different font. That said I can't read Arabic apart from recognizing a few words so anyone please correct me.
Don't get why the ISIS flag has that really weird very basic font in the top two parts, strange.
Edit: This is why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Muhammad
Don't get why the ISIS flag has that really weird very basic font in the top two parts, strange.
Edit: This is why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Muhammad
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ska invita
back on the other side
interesting analysis on the whys and what nexts for Israel from Richard Seymour here http://www.leninology.co.uk/2014/08/a-self-inflicted-defeat-for-israel.html
Final paragraph without due context:
The most likely effect of this defeat is to intensify the siege mentality in Israel, and drive it further to the Right. Already, the right-wingers in the government have been complaining about Netanyahu's betrayals. The already very voluble calls to let the army off the leash, let it go in there and "exterminate", will become much hoarser. Intriguingly, in the course of the war, the IDF let it be known that it believed it could - if so instructed - reoccupy Gaza within a couple of weeks, and dismantle Hamas's political and military infrastructure within two years. The IDF chief, Benny Gantz, has already stated before the war that he thinks Israel has to "retake Gaza". It would be surprising if the activist Right and the reactionaries in the Knesset did not mount tremendous pressure in the coming weeks and months to embark on such a war.
This is not to say it will happen, or that it will happen any time soon anyway, but it is to say that the dynamics in Israeli society are such that it is being pushed in a direction that places it increasingly at a strategic tangent to what its sponsors and supporters want from it. And while Washington will continue to try to cultivate a 'moderate' Israeli leadership faction, they can only really work with the Israel they have got. The question is, at what point does Israel's behaviour become so counterproductive that it outweighs the strategic advantage it provides in terms of military control of the region? And is there a small chance that we will be approaching that point in this generation?
Final paragraph without due context:
The most likely effect of this defeat is to intensify the siege mentality in Israel, and drive it further to the Right. Already, the right-wingers in the government have been complaining about Netanyahu's betrayals. The already very voluble calls to let the army off the leash, let it go in there and "exterminate", will become much hoarser. Intriguingly, in the course of the war, the IDF let it be known that it believed it could - if so instructed - reoccupy Gaza within a couple of weeks, and dismantle Hamas's political and military infrastructure within two years. The IDF chief, Benny Gantz, has already stated before the war that he thinks Israel has to "retake Gaza". It would be surprising if the activist Right and the reactionaries in the Knesset did not mount tremendous pressure in the coming weeks and months to embark on such a war.
This is not to say it will happen, or that it will happen any time soon anyway, but it is to say that the dynamics in Israeli society are such that it is being pushed in a direction that places it increasingly at a strategic tangent to what its sponsors and supporters want from it. And while Washington will continue to try to cultivate a 'moderate' Israeli leadership faction, they can only really work with the Israel they have got. The question is, at what point does Israel's behaviour become so counterproductive that it outweighs the strategic advantage it provides in terms of military control of the region? And is there a small chance that we will be approaching that point in this generation?
coley
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He does, doesn't he, mind I had to grin at the "not,toobright" crack but overall a well delivered and accurate critique of the situation.
weltweit
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I think there is a chance that because the discussions have made no progress on the lifting of the blockade, Hamas will resume firing rockets towards Israel in the morning and Israel will immediately respond with shelling but will also seriously consider a full scale invasion of Gaza.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Nah Israel won't launch a full scale invasion. They can shell if they like but another ground invasion is out of the question, for now anyway. Obama's told Netanyahu to call it off and he did. That's why they withdrew. Those tunnels haven't been destroyed either, limited certainly but not totally out of action.
coley
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Israel agrees to 'ceasefire'
Hamas objects to any ceasefire which leaves them as virtually under the rule of an occupying power, and starts firing off rockets.
Israel tolerates this for a day or two ( even. A week or so) then massively retaliates
West blames HAMAS for resurrecting hostilities and loses interest in the conflict
Returns to covering the latest scandal involving premier league footballers
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
Where did you see that? I haven't seen any reports, including from reporters within Gaza that have mentioned Israel firing. Most have mentioned outgoing rockets though.
Limerick Red
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There is no way after what the people of gaza have being through that a return to the status quo, of a brutal siege, of sporadic access to water, electricity , in on going drone attacks, there is no way a return to that is acceptable, allowing the conflict to be reported as some way resolved. The Palestinian resistance have taken what steps it deems necessary, and we should continue to support the resistance through marches and BDS actions.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You reckon firing rockets will lift the seige?
This is just going to go round and round in depressing circles.
weltweit
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Limerick Red
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Doesn't really matter what I think, it's what the resistance is doing.
Solidarity does not come with conditions.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you think it's like hemel hempstead?
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Two eye witness tweets from eastern Gaza - only two explosions. The media did seem more interested in (apparent Jihadi rocket fire, not HAMAS) than owt else which isn't surprising really.
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
OK, got a link to it? I am interested and don't trust any media just trying to make my own opinion.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
The only links are the tweets from Palestinians under bombardment right now.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
8 missiles fired from gaza this morning according to the guardian. Israel has started shelling again
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
OK would be interesting if they saw the explosions or just heard a detonation.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
That was a really interesting and easy to follow of the recent events leading up to this, what's happened during it and what he suspects will happen afterwards...ta for posting!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No they don't. They think two things 1) that it can play a role in a process that can remove the blockade 2) it can win them support, as would playing a key role in the process that removes the blockade. They're not idiots who think ug let's fire rockets - then israel do what we want
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So what's important is to show resistance; not to end the shelling?
That's why this will go on forever.
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