Gaza under attack yet again.
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Treacle Toes
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What does this have to do with Gaza? Can't you guys hate/call names/banter in PM? Please!
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Fuck off.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Yes.
But very, very early - possibly when there were fewer than 5000 followers of the Prophet - there was the Constitution of Medina [Wikipedia; annotated version from a Muslim standpoint]
(TopCat: this is not a religious tract. Some argue that it is the world's first constitution, and that it is the first document setting out laws of war. It is certainly the Prophet's best work!)
It provides that:
I suspect that the confederal (or even "consocial") arrangement in Medina stemmed at least in part from the fact that many or most of the Believers were converts from Christianity. (Come to think of it now: many of those may have been only few generations removed from Samaritan converts, and that conversion marked the beginning of the weakening of racial exclusivity in Christianity, which at first accepted only Jews with allegiance to the Temple at Jerusalem.)
Why this aspect of the history of Islam is so underplayed I have no idea.
Nor why the Constitution doesn't mention the Christians in Medina who were within its scope.
It's not as far off-topic as it looks. Precedents for such arrangements of mutual respect in Islam offer lessons for... well, most others.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Sure.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Don't know about the market bit but yes they did a 4 hour 'humanitarian' ceasefire. Normally these are used to rush in aid and try and get to help as many people as possible before hostilities resume....
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Treacle Toes
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4 hour ceasefire announced, just enough time to nip out for some supplies...Oh wait, only kidding, no ceasefire at all!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
4 hour ceasefire announced, just enough time to nip out for some supplies...Oh wait, only kidding, no ceasefire at all!
More likely 4 hour ceasefire negotiated by UN and/or aid agencies and then they scramble to distribute items of use or provide urgent medical assistance...then bombing starts and they have to fall back.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It was a unilateral ceasefire (that wasn't) announced by the IDF.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
They announced a cease fire and added to the bottom of it that it was only for areas where the IDF weren't active. I'm not sure what you're supposed to make of a statement like that.
Clearly people thought it meant they could go to the market to get supplies, but they were wrong.
Clearly people thought it meant they could go to the market to get supplies, but they were wrong.
teqniq
DisMembered
Not only that but they called the ceasefire only in certain areas and then neglected to tell civilians in Gaza where.
Treacle Toes
Time
People could have seen it as an opportunity to get things they needed too...the two things are not exclusive and those people were not necessarily out after the so called '4 hour ceasefire'. FFS, they have shown there is n't anything that they would not stoop too. They are bombing schools and hospitals already...You have 1 hour to leave! where to? you still there? BOMB.
Treacle Toes
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Thats biological and chemical warfare. Phosphorus is being used at the moment.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-s-nuclear-biological-and-chemical-weapons/30892
In 1993, the US Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment included Israel as a nation having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities. In 1998, former Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary Bill Richardson said:
“I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time. There’s no doubt they’ve had stuff for years.”
Israel tests new weapons in combat. Against Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza during Cast Lead, it used direct energy weapons, chemical and/or biological agents, and others producing injuries and symptoms medical professionals never previously saw.
For example, bodies with dead tissue had no apparent wounds. Corpses were found shrunken. Civilians had heavy lower limb damage requiring amputations. Nonetheless, unstoppable necrosis followed (death of cells and living tissue) followed by death.
Internal wounds had no trace of shrapnel. Corpses were blackened but not burned. Some badly wounded victims didn’t bleed. The Palestinian health ministry said Israel used a new type explosive in Gaza. It contained toxins and radioactive materials. They burned and tore victims’ bodies from the inside. They also left long term deformations.
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Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
This is something I didn't know. The fuck?
I suppose it makes sense for them (and America, and whoever else sells them weapons) to get them tested out on a captive subject, where they'll not face repercussions from the international community because they are beyond reprieve.
Israel has become a mad dog
It always has been, its a state based on racial supremacism and founded on ethnic cleansing and murder.
I have little doubt, either.
If only Palestinians could be persuaded of the importance of smuggling samples out to a reputable, independent laboratory.
It's difficult enough from Gaza. But I've tried to persuade people who allege that the "tear gas" used weekly at B'ilin has psychotropic effects. They don't understand.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I think people might be referring to DIME here - Dense Inert Metal Explosive, a sort of "microshrapnel". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive
It was certainly referred to as being tested in Cast Lead, though denied by, uh, "Israeli military experts". They also denied that flechette munitions were used despite numerous actual pictures of flechettes being shown.
It was certainly referred to as being tested in Cast Lead, though denied by, uh, "Israeli military experts". They also denied that flechette munitions were used despite numerous actual pictures of flechettes being shown.
The fuck... and they did get samples out.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I expect that DIME munitions will be rewritten as "an example of the IDF trying at all times to limit civilian casualties".
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Regev admitted to flechettes on TV a few nights ago. Might have been the Maitlis interview. She specifically pressed him on it. He span it, some way or another.
RhymnRzn
anti-doter
Amen to that sediment.
maybe that guy has another idea about how to assist some of these treacherous dealers to their "Nebuchadnezzar moment", where they have to go collect their marbles somewhere away from the halls of power, before the gravediggers take care of it in finality.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
They, the People of the Book were a more tolerant posse in the Prophets day
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2008/06/24/ethiopia_the_king_who_granted_asylum_to_
Ethiopia - The King Who Granted Asylum to the Family of the Prophet Mohammad
Dr. Said Samatar described Ethiopia's historic role in providing sanctuary for the earliest Muslims. He shared the story of King Armah (Negash) and his decision to grant refuge to the family of the Prophet Mohammad [pbuh], who arrived at Aksum while fleeing from their pagan persecutors.
This was when the Prophet had to escape Mecca and hide in Medina
His family managed to get over the Red Sea
The "pagan"s they were running from were the clans of Mecca, who would later embrace Islam become the ruling core of what today is Summi Islam
Strike confirmed:
The txt warnings and roof-taps looked like pure propaganda - to give the appearance of avoiding civilian casualties while ensuring they continued.
This looks like deliberately luring civilians out to be shelled
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Just like SarajevoStrike confirmed:
The txt warnings and roof-taps looked like pure propaganda - to give the appearance of avoiding civilian casualties while ensuring they continued.
This looks like deliberately luring civilians out to be shelled
The west did fuck all then too
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