Galloway returns to Parliament in sensational win in Bradford West - Labour/Coalition smashed

[articul8]

only on here - mouthing off

 

[Pickman's model]

You haven't had a pop.

from what he's arguing i'd say he's had too much pop, of the alcoholic variety

 

[Citizen66]

How many years have Labour had to get it right, and what funds are at their disposal, compared to the IWCA?

 

[articul8]

from what he's arguing i'd say he's had too much pop, of the alcoholic variety

that too

 

[articul8]

How many years have Labour had to get it right, and what funds are at their disposal, compared to the IWCA?

History is one damn thing after another. I don't exonerate Labour in any way, shape or form. But things are as they are, not as we might wish them to be

 

[treelover]

It was reported on BBC radio that the swing was in the region of 36 percent to Respect.

Speaking of the BBC, I've just listened to an appalling interview on BBC Radio 5 Live from some hack with George Galloway, who made a valid point that it was the Labour party who put up a Muslim candidate and not Respect, whose candidate is not a Muslim and is white with blue eyes. The interviewer in a crass remark to a colleague, was also laughing and joking about someone, it's unclear who, throwing eggs at Mr Galloway as he left the BBC studios. Is this what the "impartial" BBC has come to now.

The actual interview is hosted here:

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/page.php?page=6

I noticed that, none of the usual BBC outrage when other such 'undemocratic' outrages occurs

btw, lots of posts on CIF, etc, from TH voters saying they wouldn't vote for Galloway again...

 

[butchersapron]

History is one damn thing after another. I don't exonerate Labour in any way,you shape or form. But things are as they are, not as we might wish them to be

Make them happen again. Just be honest, People know what you mean - vote labour. Why such a coward?

 

[Citizen66]

History is one damn thing after another. I don't exonerate Labour in any way, shape or form. But things are as they are, not as we might wish them to be

So a vote not for labour is a vote for conservative?

Is there a difference between those parties nowadays btw? At least the Tories have a class interest in it. Labour are just trying to attain having a class interest in it.

 

[frogwoman]

Frogwoman has been hinting at it none too subtly - the idea that the national trend will be bucked on a frequent basis from now on etc. You have been drawing conclusions, while not necessarily electoral, are a bit more than this one result justifies

hang on i specifically said that i didn't think that galloway's vicotry heralded some sort of workers' vanguard. i don't think it's a massive victory and i don't think that it's the start of a new workers' party lol. i do think that it demonstrates the complete uselessness of your argument though. your argument is that labour is a party that still "cannot be ignored" and that galloway's victory is just an exception that proves the rule. it just seems so ridiculous, like you're argueing that the biggest blow for labour in years ia actually a reason to still be in labour.

 

[butchersapron]

History is one damn thing after another. I don't exonerate Labour in any way, shape or form. But things are as they are, not as we might wish them to be

Which means nothing. Literally nothing

 

[butchersapron]

When leeds beat watford tmw - but what about Preston?

 

[where to]

GG accepts the "i don't drink" letter was from him in this interview [edit- the 5 live one]

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/page.php?page=6

he also says he won in most wards, not all, and quotes a 80-odd% figure in the 'university ward', which google doesn't seem to recognise.

 

[audiotech]

At the outset of that Sky piece announcing the results George Galloway seems to be suggesting some dodgy goings on have been taking place during the election process. I wonder what and from who?

 

[articul8]

Make them happen again. Just be honest, People know what you mean - vote labour. Why such a coward?

I am not saying vote Labour whatever. I'm saying that to abandon the struggle to make Labour offer an alternative, without any sense of how an alternative is to be built, is to weaken rather than strengthen our position.

If we had a different voting system, then the choice wouldn't be posed in quite the same way. Which is one key reason why there is no equivalent of Die Linke etc.

 

[Citizen66]

Labour shifted from being a social democratic party to being a neoliberal one. Why is it unthinkable that they could move in the opposite direction?

Wage options and expenses.

 

[treelover]

GG accepts the "i don't drink" letter was from him in this interview

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/page.php?page=6

he also says he won in most wards, not all, and quotes a 80-odd% figure in the 'university ward', which google doesn't seem to recognise.

Its certain the media will really scrutinise all aspects of his campaign tactics, it could all go horribly wrong...

 

[articul8]

When leeds beat watford tmw - but what about Preston?

Preston is a perfect example. It's hard to abandon a sinking ship when it's been what you've been brought up with - maybe, just maybe things will turn round - we've been poised in the past

 

[Citizen66]

I am not saying vote Labour whatever. I'm saying that to abandon the struggle to make Labour offer an alternative, without any sense of how an alternative is to be built, is to weaken rather than strengthen our position.

If we had a different voting system, then the choice wouldn't be posed in quite the same way. Which is one key reason why there is no equivalent of Die Linke etc.

The way it is now, why don't we all just join the Conservative Party and make them shift position instead?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Perhaps one could infer that in traditional safe seats Labour are now potentially vulnerable on the left, at least given a well-organised left-wing populist opponent with a bit of brand recognition.

I'm wondering what would happen if a younger, lefter Glenda (as a sort of imaginary stereotype with some of the same qualities as GG) were to run for say the SP against 'Mad Frankie' Field here in Birkenhead for example.

 

[articul8]

hang on i specifically said that i didn't think that galloway's vicotry heralded some sort of workers' vanguard. i don't think it's a massive victory and i don't think that it's the start of a new workers' party lol.

Try telling whoever writes the TUSC press releases

i do think that it demonstrates the complete uselessness of your argument though. your argument is that labour is a party that still "cannot be ignored" and that galloway's victory is just an exception that proves the rule. it just seems so ridiculous, like you're argueing that the biggest blow for labour in years ia actually a reason to still be in labour.

By-elections are opportunities to protest. General elections are something different. Everyone knows this,

 

[frogwoman]

He is their fucking MP now. One of the safest labour seats in the country.

It's a disaster for Labour and it completely disproves the arguement that "the labour party have to be reclaimed" "the labour party are not irrelevant for the left" etc. Face it

 

[butchersapron]

I am not saying vote Labour whatever. I'm saying that to abandon the struggle to make Labour offer an alternative, without any sense of how an alternative is to be built, is to weaken rather than strengthen our position.

If we had a different voting system, then the choice wouldn't be posed in quite the same way. Which is one key reason why there is no equivalent of Die Linke etc.

'Abandon the struggle' - whose struggle? Not mine. The reduction of struggle down to what liberal-middle-class lefties find appropriate is noted. And that it is to change the labour party.

And you are saying vote labour whatever.

 

[Citizen66]

By-elections are opportunities to protest. General elections are something different. Everyone knows this,

They both end with a seat in Parliament?

 

[Citizen66]

He is their fucking MP now. One of the safest labour seats in the country.

It's a disaster. Face it

Exactly.

 

[butchersapron]

Preston is a perfect example. It's hard to abandon a sinking ship when it's been what you've been brought up with - maybe, just maybe things will turn round - we've been poised in the past

Maybe by more labour leaders giving a shit

 

[frogwoman]

As an analogy it would be like Nigel Farage or Robert fucking Kilroy winning in Chalfont st Giles "as a protest". How could you say that that wasn't a disaster for the tories? would the tories meet that result in their safest seat with total denial?

 

[butchersapron]

Labour shifted from being a social democratic party to being a neoliberal one. Why is it unthinkable that they could move in the opposite direction?

That's what he said. Game over isn't it?

Why?

 

[butchersapron]

Preston is a perfect example. It's hard to abandon a sinking ship when it's been what you've been brought up with - maybe, just maybe things will turn round - we've been poised in the past

What?

 

[audiotech]

he also says he won in most wards, not all, and quotes a 80-odd% figure in the 'university ward', which google doesn't seem to recognise.

Maybe he meant the ward where the university is. There is one afterall.

 

[Plumdaff]

It was reported on BBC radio that the swing was in the region of 36 percent to Respect.

Speaking of the BBC, I've just listened to an appalling interview on BBC Radio 5 Live from some hack with George Galloway, who made a valid point that it was the Labour party who put up a Muslim candidate and not Respect, whose candidate is not a Muslim and is white with blue eyes. The interviewer in a crass remark to a colleague, was also laughing and joking about someone, it's unclear who, throwing eggs at Mr Galloway as he left the BBC studios. Is this what the "impartial" BBC has come to now.

The actual interview is hosted here:

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/page.php?page=6

I think it was the same interviewer who kept mentioning a ward where they'd found some people who'd said Galloway hadn't visited - there was unhidden insinuation of "y'know....because this is a WHITE ward...wink wink". He probably did target certain wards, just like anyone else who ever ran an election campaign, and the determined divisiveness of the BBC coverage was blatant and deeply unpleasant, no matter how much cynicism I may retain about the man himself.