Galloway returns to Parliament in sensational win in Bradford West - Labour/Coalition smashed

[Citizen66]

this is the key question. We'll see.

But as recent history shows, it's Thatcherite economics. Those of the sort that created the conditions for the Tories to wiggle back in with a hard right agenda.

 

[articul8]

You must say vote labour.

You pathetic shil - is this all you have, vote labour, we're not the tories? You have no idea.

a) as I've already said i'm *not* voting Labour at the GLA elections and
b) I'm saying that it's critical to shift Labour into some form of opposition to neoliberalism,

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Wasn't that one of Denis Healey's? It's what he called Thatcher's economic policy in her first term isn't it?

Could be. I first heard it from Doug H in the early 90's, so an 80's origin is quite possible.

 

[butchersapron]

So you'd be happy if someone stood in Sheffield Hallam and helped Clegg keep his seat?

So you'd

Sounds like gmart.

Don't oppose labour. What a shit example.

 

[articul8]

But as recent history shows, it's Thatcherite economics. Those of the sort that created the conditions for the Tories to wiggle back in with a hard right agenda.

Well there are forces in Labour that want that to prevail on that basis. But others want them to present an alternative, including their main donors. It's an open question how this works itself out.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

a) as I've already said i'm *not* voting Labour at the GLA elections and
b) I'm saying that it's critical to shift Labour into some form of opposition to neoliberalism,

So did last night's result please you, then? If not, why not?

 

[Citizen66]

Well there are forces in Labour that want that to prevail. But others want them to present an alternative, including their main donors. It's an open question how this works itself out.

The problem with the 'forces within labour that are trying to change the party' is that they're actually helping to keep the whole circus going.

 

[treelover]

I wonder how long it will be before the remnants of the EDL, etc make another visit to Bradford?

 

[audiotech]

It was reported on BBC radio that the swing was in the region of 36 percent to Respect.

Speaking of the BBC, I've just listened to an appalling interview on BBC Radio 5 Live from some hack with George Galloway, who made a valid point that it was the Labour party who put up a Muslim candidate and not Respect, whose candidate is not a Muslim and is white with blue eyes. The interviewer in a crass remark to a colleague, was also laughing and joking about someone, it's unclear who, throwing eggs at Mr Galloway as he left the BBC studios. Is this what the "impartial" BBC has come to now.

The actual interview is hosted here:

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/page.php?page=6

 

[butchersapron]

a) as I've already said i'm *not* voting Labour at the GLA elections and
b) I'm saying that it's critical to shift Labour into some form of opposition to neoliberalism,

By telling people to vote labour anything else might be bad.tt

Shift, you can't shift labour. You clueless cunt. You might get a career out of belief in that.

 

[butchersapron]

Well there are forces in Labour that want that to prevail on that basis. But others want them to present an alternative, including their main donors. It's an open question how this works itself out.

I want everything to be different and sweet. I will fight for that.

 

[articul8]

So did last night's result please you, then? If not, why not?

I thought last night's result was a mixed blessing. Good - in the sense that it shakes Labour out of its complacency, and suggests there is an appetite for an anti-war stance and an alternative more generally, Bad - in the sense that the EDL will use this as an enemy to rally around and that much of Galloway's appeal is on the basis of ethnic/religious community as Labour has also sought to promote.

 

[treelover]

newsnight might be worth watching tonight

i presume they'll lead with it

Newsnight, for all its recent failings, especially basically endorsing welfare reform, is still the news programme i wait for to get a balanced and holistic exploration of the issues...

 

[Citizen66]

The proposed amalgamation between TSSA and the RMT collapsed. Why? It would have put more boots on the ground. It would have made a stronger union.

Reason: RMT general sec is Bob Crow. TSSA general sec is (like) Articul8.

 

[articul8]

Shift, you can't shift labour. You clueless cunt.

Has this always been true? On every level or just the national leadership? Whose to say what is or isn't possible given the kind of period we're living through?

 

[butchersapron]

it's critical to shift Labour into some form of opposition to neoliberalism,

The labour party shifting into opposing neo-liberalism. What fucking mental bat-shit world do you live in?

 

[spliff]

This may well have been posted before but I'm fucked if I'm gonna wade through 20 odd pages to see.

 

[articul8]

The proposed amalgamation between TSSA and the RMT collapsed. Why? It would have put more boots on the ground. It would have made a stronger union.

Reason: RMT general sec is Bob Crow. TSSA general sec is Articul8.

Ha - not guilty. There is a different between industrial and political strategy. I hope there is a UNITE/PCS merger.

 

[butchersapron]

Has this always been true? On every level or just the national leadership? Whose to say what is or isn't possible given the kind of period we're living through?

Maybe you clueless few, with no influence can turn the ship. Fantasist. Trot,

 

[articul8]

The labour party shifting into opposing neo-liberalism. What fucking mental bat-shit world dol you live in?

Labour shifted from being a social democratic party to being a neoliberal one. Why is it unthinkable that they could move in the opposite direction?

 

[Citizen66]

The labour party shifting into opposing neo-liberalism. What fucking mental bat-shit world dol you live in?

They're a neo-liberal party. They'd be opposing themselves.

 

[DotCommunist]

I wonder how long it will be before the remnants of the EDL, etc make another visit to Bradford?

Hopefully Tommy boy will put in another of his appearances dressed as a rabbi

 

[articul8]

Maybe you clueless few, with no influence can turn the ship. Fantasist. Trot,

And your alternative is...? A running club in Oxford? Chances of a bronze medal (negligible)

 

[treelover]

It all bodes well for the Pro NHS candidates, but the Greens look like they are in trouble...

 

[butchersapron]

They're a neo-liberal party. They'd be opposing themselves.

It's not hard is it?

 

[Citizen66]

Ha - not guilty. There is a different between industrial and political strategy. I hope there is a UNITE/PCS merger.

Sorry I edited. But TSSA wouldn't merge with RMT because TSSA won't budge from funding labour where as RMT funds whoever suits.

 

[audiotech]

Sky News

 

[butchersapron]

And your alternative is...? A running club in Oxford? Chances of a bronze medal (negligible)

Some hool-lit.

Fucking joker. Sort yourself out. You're an embarrassment.

 

[articul8]

Some hool-lit.

Fucking joker. Sort yourself out. You're an embarrassment.

I don't mean to belittle the IWCA - but you're so fucking sure you've got the answers (without anything to back it up) it's hard not to have a pop in return.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't mean to belittle the IWCA - but you're so fucking sure you've got the answers (without anything to back it up) it's hard not to have a pop in return.

You haven't had a pop.