Galloway returns to Parliament in sensational win in Bradford West - Labour/Coalition smashed

[treelover]

Anyone been over to the 'most popular left wing blog' or Newmanland?(socialist unity)

though have to give the Cardinal his due, he has been doing a very good job with the Carrileon dispure

 

[belboid]

So basically what you're saying is that she could have had a career as a new labour creep if she had wanted.

Yup, thats the one!

But she actually had some principles, the fucker

 

[articul8]

For gods sake, the lessons are in how mobilising local/community support against labour incumbents can be effective, that a labour vote is not to be so arrogantly assumed to be yours forever (that attitude you also display), and that people do care about issues and are prepared to (maybe in minimal ways, maybe not) act on them despite traditional loyalties if approached properly. You manage to turn this into vote labour - we're not the tories? Fucking hell.

By-elections have a logic of their own - people know they are electing a single candidate rather than a government and know that they can use them to send a symbolic message. General elections are altgother different. And its the next general election that will determine the overall frame - and that frame means Labour are the only game in town, sadly. Now if this success were to shown to be repeatable - and waves of Respect, TUSC and/or other councillors were elected in the locals that would start to suggest something else is going on. But that's one hell of a big *if*.

As for hackery fucking hell, I'm about as far away from it as its possible to get whilst still making the case for staying in a party.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

To be fair to Yakoob I think the fact that she hasn't jumped to Labour (especially after Respect was wiped out almost everwhere) is a testament to her genuiness.

I agree that she seems to be a natural Libdem but I think it's the sort of Libdem who would since the coalition be more at home in Labour/Progress

 

[butchersapron]

By-elections have a logic of their own - people know they are electing a single candidate rather than a government and know that they can use them to send a symbolic message. General elections are altgother different. And its the next general election that will determine the overall frame - and that frame means Labour are the only game in town, sadly. Now if this success were to shown to be repeatable - and waves of Respect, TUSC and/or other councillors were elected in the locals that would start to suggest something else is going on. But that's one hell of a big *if*.

As for hackery fucking hell, I'm about as far away from it as its possible to get whilst still making the case for staying in a party.

Again, you reduce the lessons down to elections and their effect on labour. I don't believe you are capable of learning a lesson. And if you don't think that you're a hack then your chutzpah is now beyond parody. Odd how your posts echo those of the paid hacks.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't understand, though. If labour had won this by-election by a landslide, what would that have done in terms of where labour are? You don't move labour away from where they are by voting labour, do you?

 

[butchersapron]

I don't understand, though. If labour had won this by-election by a landslide, what would that have done in terms of where labour are? You don't move labour away from where they are by voting labour, do you?

You join and apply pressure through voting labour then getting dissapointed then leaving then joining again determined to change it. Have you not been keeping up with articul8's little strategic communiques?

 

[past caring]

Have you not been keeping up with articul8's little strategic communiques?

It is like cockers minus the self-awareness and wit.

 

[butchersapron]

...and texting.

Let's remember that all cockers had was his self-awareness and wit.

 

[Wilf]

No one has actually confirmed that that leaflet is true yet. It might very well be, but, other than the notorious racist poster who posted it here, its only appeared on one Labour party blog, so could well be completely fabricated (and distributed in a 'white' ward to get exactly the effect it has here!)

Can't tell from the scan, but any 'official' leadlet would need the imprint of the election agent (or something similar?) on it. If it is genuine - as in something that was really distributed - it looks like it would be a nod and a wink thing with inbuilt deniability for GG.

 

[past caring]

Let's remember that all cockers had was his self-awareness and wit.

That was my point.

 

[The39thStep]

It is like cockers minus the self-awareness and wit.

Cockers's self awareness and wit

Sadly that's true. Political cynicism doesn't get us anywhere at the end of the day. ]

 

[articul8]

It is like cockers minus the self-awareness and wit.

As the old Ted would say, you lot are the cretinous ultra-left twats on the fringes of the labour movement. Now to quote Galloway, fuck off the lot of you

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That was my point.

For those not in the know, could someone explain who cockers is/was. Also, where did he go?

 

[butchersapron]

For those not in the know, could someone explain who cockers is/was. Also, where did he go?

He was a hyped up juvenile hard-trotskyist on here years ago. Workers defence squads disarming the police type. Union politics probably - possibly student politics. Better than work.

 

[DotCommunist]

Return of the mac

 

[past caring]

For those not in the know, could someone explain who cockers is/was. Also, where did he go?

Iraq (International Brigade). Don't know if he ever made it back.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As the old Ted would say, you lot are the cretinous ultra-left twats on the fringes of the labour movement. Now to quote Galloway, fuck off the lot of you

You see, I would describe the Labour party as on the fringes of the Labour movement. That's the tragedy of the whole thing - there's nothing ultra-left about being to the left of the Labour party.

If you are a mild-mannered social democrat who believes in a mixed economy, you're to the left of the Labour party.

 

[belboid]

He was a hyped up juvenile hard-trotskyist on here years ago. Workers defence squads disarming the police type. Union politics probably - possibly student politics. Better than work.

he knew his Unison stuff okay. Unfortantely for him he also tried to show he knew about every other unions internal goings on, which often led him somewhat awry

 

[butchersapron]

You see, I would describe the Labour party as on the fringes of the Labour movement. That's the tragedy of the whole thing - there's nothing ultra-left about being to the left of the Labour party.

If you are a mild-mannered social democrat who believes in a mixed economy, you're to the left of the Labour party.

That's totally wrong. The labour movement comprises the labour party and the unions. No matter what they're doing. That's it. Or have you another labour movement in mind?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's totally wrong. The labour movement comprises the labour party and the unions. No matter what they're doing. That's it. Or have you another labour movement in mind?

And the Labour party represents the unions in a meaningful way? By supporting a strike every now and then perhaps?

 

[belboid]

by not openly opposing a strike, every now and then - I think you mean

 

[butchersapron]

And the Labour party represents the unions in a meaningful way? By supporting a strike every now and then perhaps?

It doesn't matter - this is what constitutes the historical labour movement. This is what people mean when they say labour movement - as that hack above did.

 

[Idris2002]

Cockneyrebel was the one who saw dual power where everyone else only saw the odd anti-war demo, is that right?

 

[butchersapron]

Cockneyrebel was the one who saw dual power where everyone else only saw the odd anti-war demo, is that right?

He did, but Rebal Warrior was the one who saw a meeting in london - a social forum - as the start of dual power.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It doesn't matter - this is what constitutes the historical labour movement. This is what people mean when they say labour movement - as that hack above did.

And the Labour party is on the fringes of that. Or did I miss the big demonstration against the cuts that they organised?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Union politics probably

Not sure if he's still active in that...

 

[treelover]

Can't see the party of Bryne, Wicks, Flint, Cooper, Blunkett, Field, learning any lessons from this truly massive defeat, though it will be interesting to see their excuses, etc..

'Labour is for the workers; not those avoiding work
by Peter Watt
Gulp, here goes. I think that if the reports that Liam Byrne, with the full support of Ed Miliband, is to shortly announce a change in approach to benefits policy are correct, then he is spot on.
Over the last 30 years Labour has moved from being seen as a party that supports labour, working people, to being seen as a party of welfare dependency supporting those who do not work.'
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2012/01/04/labour-is-for-the-workers-not-those-avoiding-work/

oh, read this defence of welfare reform by Peter Watt(known to some on here) appalling...

 

[butchersapron]

And the Labour party is on the fringes of that. Or did I miss the big demonstration against the cuts that they organised?

The labour party is on the fringes of something that it is a 50% component of? Look, it doesn;t matter how shit you think labour is - this is what the term means - the unions+labour. This isn't a made up term. Do you have another labour movement?

 

[Idris2002]

He did, but Rebal Warrior was the one who saw a meeting in london - a social forum - as the start of dual power.

Ah yes, the pilotless drone himself. Good times, good times.