maomao
普費斯
Do you honestly think that the police would try to sieze or delete a city fund managers camera?
G20: Getting to the truth- the death of Ian Tomlinson RIP
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Do you honestly think that the police would try to sieze or delete a city fund managers camera?
winjer
holocene death beat
Where's that from? Cif/blog/twitter?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
CiF blog, page 13
winjer
holocene death beat
Yes. They've done it to MPs. And they've had to apologise for clearing the press from the vigil on April 2nd at Royal Exchange
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=850930
Your right. Government is scared of the political unrest seen accross the rest of Europe and some very senior people are breifing the police to prepare for this violence and unrest.
This is why they think it's acceptable to put out press releases talking about a summer of violence etc. It allows them to justify the surpression of people unhappy with the current political system.
The effect of this trickles down to PC's on the street who think it's acceptable to use violence against protestors. After all these are dangerous criminals in a culture where protest is criminalised.
winjer
holocene death beat
Which is where? Link please.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep, I can remember shit like this (and worse) happening back from the 1970s.
If we're trying to gauge "how clear" by past standards then we know it can hardly ever be clear enough.
I don't agree. I think that the institution and the culture of the institution promotes "bastardism" in some police officers, and the more weak-willed go along with it for an easy life, but some of them do occasionally stand up to be counted.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
5*
Against Police brutality- Saturday 11th April-
WHEN: This Sat the 11th of April...11am
WHERE: From Bethnal Green Police station to Bank
Over the last week across London there has been a series of demonstrations
and protests against the policies and programs implemented by the G20
leaders.
We are taking to the streets to express our compassion with the family of
Ian Tomlinson who tragically died during the 1 April protests at the Bank
of England. We are calling for an independent public inquiry into the
instances of police violence that occurred thoughout the week and to
establish the true circumstances of his death.
We wish to communicate our disgust and anger at the violent and brutal
policing of the G20 demonstrations.
The press once again created an atmosphere of fear and violence in the
lead up to the protests, preemptively justifying the police violence that
occurred. They also misreported and lied about the circumstances of the
tragedy. We recognise that for many communities the reality of police
violence is a daily occurrence. The demonisation of communities, like the
demonisation of protesters makes police violence seem normal.
As the crisis deepens and continues there will be increased resistance -
from factory occupations to demonstrations, strikes and people coming
together on the streets. We need to speak out now to defend our freedom to
protest, our communities and our dignity.
WHEN: This Sat the 11th of April...11am
WHERE: From Bethnal Green Police station to Bank
Over the last week across London there has been a series of demonstrations
and protests against the policies and programs implemented by the G20
leaders.
We are taking to the streets to express our compassion with the family of
Ian Tomlinson who tragically died during the 1 April protests at the Bank
of England. We are calling for an independent public inquiry into the
instances of police violence that occurred thoughout the week and to
establish the true circumstances of his death.
We wish to communicate our disgust and anger at the violent and brutal
policing of the G20 demonstrations.
The press once again created an atmosphere of fear and violence in the
lead up to the protests, preemptively justifying the police violence that
occurred. They also misreported and lied about the circumstances of the
tragedy. We recognise that for many communities the reality of police
violence is a daily occurrence. The demonisation of communities, like the
demonisation of protesters makes police violence seem normal.
As the crisis deepens and continues there will be increased resistance -
from factory occupations to demonstrations, strikes and people coming
together on the streets. We need to speak out now to defend our freedom to
protest, our communities and our dignity.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about (again).
You're trained to "ward off" people who are confronting/facing you, not to shove people in the back.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
As well as the actual assaults on Ian Tomlinson, its important to pursue the higher levels in all this [sorry if this has been said, haven't read the whole thread]. What was the overall plan on policing the G20 - were batons explicitly to be used to 'clear areas' or as a form of routine 'crowd management'? What role did the Home Office have? Did they set the tone in terms of more 'aggessive' policing? Alternatively, were the decisions just made in the Met? Anybody got any links?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The guy's fucking walking away from them!
Yep. Something that you do get taught re: "crowd control" is to not push someone who's facing away from you, because they're far more likely to lose their balance and get hurt and trampled.
How do I know? Police assistance/crowd control training in NI.
maomao
普費斯
Check out the comments and ratings of thos comments on the Daily Mail site here. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-man-minutes-died-face-criminal-charges.html
Probably organised by someone but very encouraging nonetheless.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-man-minutes-died-face-criminal-charges.html
Probably organised by someone but very encouraging nonetheless.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Stephen Moss is "barking mad" himself, wittering about how the police are there to serve people. How can such base ignorance result in a jounralistic carrer? (oops I think Ive answered my own question).
The police are there to serve the state. Period. Any piffle about "serving the people" is an optional extra.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Check out the comments and ratings of thos comments on the Daily Mail site here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-man-minutes-died-face-criminal-charges.html
Probably organised by someone but very encouraging nonetheless.
Curious how they chose to show his hands in a position that look like he is giving a V-sign to the coppers and caption it as they do. Yet watching the video through his hands are moving vigourously and only stay in this position for a fraction of a second.
(42 seconds on original Guardian video)
DRINK?
bummed by karmachameleon
Police are f*cked on this one....pushed in the back with hands in your pockets...post mortem will be interesting though wager it will suggest that this push was the cause of his death....must be able to identify the policeman from the video I saw...
Without wishing to disrail and I'll step away anyhow... not all coppers are w*nkers, some are, some are not....
If you prepared to label all coppers as bast*ards then by the same token such sweeping generalisation would label all protesters as violent idiots
Without wishing to disrail and I'll step away anyhow... not all coppers are w*nkers, some are, some are not....
If you prepared to label all coppers as bast*ards then by the same token such sweeping generalisation would label all protesters as violent idiots
xes
F.O.A.D
Whilst i agree with you, that on an individual level, not ACAB. But you get them all together, and group mentality kicks in and they turn into violent thugs who just love to bash people round the head.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Id like to see the original of this photo too. His head *looks like* it could be bruised/grazed on the side facing the camera.
xes
F.O.A.D
in the thread that got locked (as it was adding no more than this one) I think it wasfreespirit, posted a cropped closeup of ian when he was on the stretcher, and yes, it looks like the side of his head is bruised.
edit, I didn't realise you were talking about that picture. (didn't let he page load before pressing reply)
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I made the point earlier on that i think many many people are very concerned and upset about seeing the police force carrying out such brutal behaviour as well as trying to deny involvement and smear the protestors. People aren't as stupid as sometimes is suspected and I hope that the groundswell of anger continues to grow and build, until a properly independent and impartial investigation is undertaken.Check out the comments and ratings of thos comments on the Daily Mail site here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-man-minutes-died-face-criminal-charges.html
Probably organised by someone but very encouraging nonetheless.
On a related point, very interesting (and quite damning) article from a former commissioner on the IPCC in today's Society:
the Independent Police Complaints Commission is out of touch, ineffective and takes the side of the police rather than the public, claims former member John Crawley
maomao
普費斯
Of course they are, they're all ex-filth and if they upheld complaints they'd actually have to do some fucking work.
xes
F.O.A.D
you missed out the link Ed
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So far, the story is being told in terms of 'the push'. If any footage comes to light of the earlier attack on him - being clubbed on the floor, reportedly - then it will really take off. That would be very hard for the Met/Home Office to newsmanage
the IPCCs reaction suprised me .. they had shut down the case without even waiting for evidence to come in .. except from the police .. clearly i am nieve as i thought they were more independent .. did they used to be? they come out of this very badly
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