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Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

smokedout said:
we only seem to have the cereal cafe owner's claims to go on that it was packed with customers and kids, which seems strange because the paint incident happened an hour after they say they close on their website. More likely they had a couple of mates round having a drink.
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Ooh, that's interesting. :D Although I suppose they could have changed their opening hours and not updated their website. :confused:
 
Dowie said:
OK wrong on the windows being broken... but still a group throwing paint, throwing a smoke grenade in the door.
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so some very mild property damage that caused no lasting damage, and a few uncomfortable, but hardly terrified adults, with any children presumably downstairs and so not seeing what happened.
 
smokedout said:
so some very mild property damage that caused no lasting damage, and a few uncomfortable, but hardly terrified adults, with any children presumably downstairs and so not seeing what happened.
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so a fun night out for all, everyone fine with that sort of thing... just go attacking random shops/cafes containing people who look like the sort of people we don't like
 
brogdale said:
Some business-owners' property was superficially damaged.
People were not attacked; why do you desperately seek to pretend otherwise? What's your agenda here?
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People were not assaulted, they group of people in the cafe were attacked... no agenda, you're just desperate to argue over semantics...
 
Dowie said:
so a fun night out for all, everyone fine with that sort of thing... just go attacking random shops/cafes containing people who look like the sort of people we don't like
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it wasn't random was it? it was a measured protest against a successful business which is symbolic of gentrification in the area - gentrification that is destroying people's lives. hopefully despite their bluster it made the business owners feel uncomfortable, even better it might discourage others, most importantly of all it has raised the debate about gentrification to a new level and exposed the dishonesty and vile attitudes of some of the gentrifiers, like the Ripper Museum
 
smokedout said:
it wasn't random was it? it was a measured protest against a successful business which is symbolic of gentrification in the area - gentrification that is destroying people's lives. hopefully despite their bluster it made the business owners feel uncomfortable, even better it might discourage others, most importantly of all it has raised the debate about gentrification to a new level and exposed the dishonesty and vile attitudes of some of the gentrifiers, like the Ripper Museum
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it was hardly 'measured' - attacking a small business because they're 'hipsters' is using the same sort of logic far right groups use

its raised the debate over gentrification in the same way fathers4justice have added to a debate over custody rights - cheap publicity stunt by a bunch of idiots
 
Dowie said:
People were not assaulted, they group of people in the cafe were attacked... no agenda, you're just desperate to argue over semantics...
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Semantics? No, you said this...
Dowie said:
no I just think that attacking a novelty cafe full of students and 'hipsters' is really stupid and unhelpful... and yes attacking people who sort of fit the stereotype of the people you think are to blame for some issue is the sort of thing right wing thugs do
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..which was/is factually incorrect.

Try and find the good grace to admit such, eh?
 
Dowie said:
it was hardly 'measured' - attacking a small business because they're 'hipsters' is using the same sort of logic far right groups use
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it was targetted, as part of a much larger event, because they are part of the gentrification process, just like the estate agent, who did get their windows smashed. the fact they have beards is largely irrevelent othet than the fact hipsters are ripe for havig the piss taken out of them. so no, nothing like far right tactics which attack people based on race and ethnicity, not class and economic relations.
 
stethoscope said:
But you're not though are you?! :D
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I am... it is going round in circles... I could get into an argument over semantics for another few posts with someone who is conflating attacked and assaulted and I could get into another one, again, over whether the cafe owners and customers are actually gentrifiers... but it is going to just go around in circles and unlike some of the posters on here I don't really fancy spending hours in a pointless online bunfight so I think I am done with this thread now.
 
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