Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[cesare]

Now that was genius. I mean no publicity is bad publicity right? Everyone's talking about him, his personal brand must have gone way up.

Everyone thinks that pig fucking thing is so cool and will vote Tory from now on as long as the pig fucker is in charge

 

[ffsear]

This thread = bunch of fucking...

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[treelover]

He promised the movement, which has so far organised three Fuck Parade protests in London, would seek to expand. He said: “They’re going to take place all around Britain. I’m going up to Scotland now to talk to some people in Glasgow and Edinburgh about possible ones there.”

I bet he isn't really going to Scotland, he seems to think he is some kind of Mr Big.

 

[Flavour]

Should business owners be targeted by angry mobs? Absolutely. Does it matter what they sell? No. Does it matter if they are a multinational corporation or an "independent" local business catering to the middle class? No. Fuck em. Shops for wankers up and down the land need reminding: you lot are wankers.

 

[treelover]

Is this satire?

 

[grit]

Is this satire?

Considering the tag line I'd expect not.

 

[DaveCinzano]

How about if it was a small business selling lampshades made of human skin?

Edgy and vibrant. What sort of equity are you offering?

 

[cesare]

Edgy and vibrant. What sort of equity are you offering?

Shades not shares

 

[Mr Moose]

Class War accuses Cereal Killer Cafe owners of ‘milking publicity'

Bit Stalinist. We'll attack your highly unpromising cereal business, but you may never speak of it or be branded counter-revolutionary.

 

[treelover]

Iwas involved with a £50 million regeneration scheme in London. Most of the money went to architects, while 3 out of 4 of the CEOs were arrested or found guilty at tribunals. The Council-managed organisation decided to pay their friends £50 per hour for attending meetings, while claiming they were volunteering tirelessly for the community, while the actual volunteers who spent time with the public, volunteers who were actually qualified media practitioners, some even famous (but unemployed) were paid £0. 2 of the CEOs purloined a council flat for themselves, the third stole £150,000 and went to prison. For years and years the volunteers appealed to local police, who laughed at them, ridiculed them and ignored them, until of course the truth was out. No apology of course from either police or council. This is just the tip of the iceberg of problems, corruption and slimy turds that I was dealing with. The voluntary sector and non-profit sector is full of predators, who once caught, change borough and start all over again.

someone posted this on the CIF article, may be worth someone like Laptop looking at it.

 

[Dowie]

I bet he isn't really going to Scotland, he seems to think he is some kind of Mr Big.

few more publicity stunts and he could probably release a new book

 

[cesare]

Bit Stalinist. We'll attack your highly unpromising cereal business, but you may never speak of it or be branded counter-revolutionary.

Stalin would probably just have sent them to the gulag or had them killed. Not given them credit for #hatecrime interviews to the liberal press.

 

[xenon]

Now that was genius. I mean no publicity is bad publicity right? Everyone's talking about him, his personal brand must have gone way up.

Is this what they call pork barrel politics?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Cereal Killers is an example of businesses opening that reflect the desires of the new social class moving into the area pushing the WC out. It may be a symptom rather than cause, but those doing it have nailed their colours to the mast of the process.

In the case of Brick lane, I doubt that. If you don't have social housing, you're paying a lot for your rent, and that's been true for years now. And if you do have social housing, you're not being pushed out.

This idea of characterising 'hipsters' as gentrifiers is wide of the mark, imo. Many whose outward markers are hipsterish - the well-trimmed beard, the expensive haircut, etc - will be young people paying more for a small room in a shared house than someone in social housing pays for a whole flat to themselves. They will be struggling to get by, living on their overdrafts, having half their wages stolen from them by landlords... They will be victims of gentrification, incomers with no chance of social housing, no chance of buying, so stuck with no choice but to be ripped off in private housing.

But they are young, have no dependants, and still have some disposable income left despite being ripped off. And they spend that disposable income in ways that the 40-something and 50-something posters on here don't get.

Hipster = gentrifier is a rotten equation. It's based on little more than prejudice.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

There can be only one working class person on here.

Very nice to see you back on the boards Butchers. Pardon the possibly royal tinted analogy but it was like the tower of london without the ravens.

 

[ClassWar2015]

I bet he isn't really going to Scotland, he seems to think he is some kind of Mr Big.

He's in Glasgow right now.

 

[treelover]

The Raven awakes!

 

[cesare]

In the case of Brick lane, I doubt that. If you don't have social housing, you're paying a lot for your rent, and that's been true for years now. And if you do have social housing, you're not being pushed out.

This idea of characterising 'hipsters' as gentrifiers is wide of the mark, imo. Many whose outward markers are hipsterish - the well-trimmed beard, the expensive haircut, etc - will be young people paying more for a small room in a shared house than someone in social housing pays for a whole flat to themselves. They will be struggling to get by, living on their overdrafts, having half their wages stolen from them by landlords... They will be victims of gentrification, incomers with no chance of social housing, no chance of buying, so stuck with no choice but to be ripped off in private housing.

But they are young, have no dependants, and still have some disposable income left despite being ripped off. And they spend that disposable income in ways that the 40-something and 50-something posters on here don't get.

Hipster = gentrifier is a rotten equation. It's based on little more than prejudice.

Why do you think that people with social housing aren't being pushed out? Why do you keep saying this?

See this for example: Brick Lane: Gentrification threat to Spitalfields Bangladeshi community - BBC News

And Pickman's has already referred you to other examples.

 

[no-no]

Cereal Killers is an example of businesses opening that reflect the desires of the new social class moving into the area pushing the WC out. It may be a symptom rather than cause, but those doing it have nailed their colours to the mast of the process.

Would it be okay if they were local working class
lads running the the cereal shop? Are other shops in the area allowed to sell to hipsters or do they then become class traitors?

 

[Supine]

So why isnt this Bone fella being locked up for incitement to violence or whatever the law is now called?

 

[Citizen66]

Working class shop owners. Hilarious!

 

[cantsin]

In the case of Brick lane, I doubt that. If you don't have social housing, you're paying a lot for your rent, and that's been true for years now. And if you do have social housing, you're not being pushed out.

This idea of characterising 'hipsters' as gentrifiers is wide of the mark, imo. Many whose outward markers are hipsterish - the well-trimmed beard, the expensive haircut, etc - will be young people paying more for a small room in a shared house than someone in social housing pays for a whole flat to themselves. They will be struggling to get by, living on their overdrafts, having half their wages stolen from them by landlords... They will be victims of gentrification, incomers with no chance of social housing, no chance of buying, so stuck with no choice but to be ripped off in private housing.

But they are young, have no dependants, and still have some disposable income left despite being ripped off. And they spend that disposable income in ways that the 40-something and 50-something posters on here don't get.

Hipster = gentrifier is a rotten equation. It's based on little more than prejudice.

hipsters tend to be agents and emblems of gentrifcation, not actual gentrifiers ( they re not exactly know as property developers, or particularly as homeowners) . Shoreditch itself is complicated - it's been a long process of hipsterfication / gentrification, arguably starting with the YBA s late 80s and a slow burn over 30 yrs : the cafe across from where I work ( once a month) just closed , as the landlord finally doubled his rent, 5 yrs after last review - he always did alright, despite the changes to the area, cos there are still so many builders around, but the squeeze finally came - Pret / Sainsburys / chains only for cheapish sarnies etc now .

Better example of how hipster lead gentrification works quickly and brutally is up the road, Kingsland Rd to dalston - was about 10 yrs ago the first ( v good ) little clubs started in the basements of the the old African establishments and the like on Kingsland , v hip, away from the over weekendy Shoreditch, and in that ten years house prices in the surrounding streets has started going mad , it was a like a big advertising hoarding for the better off middle classes : open for business . Massive over simplification , and more recently, Hackney / Hackney Wick / Clapton more obvious examples, but that's another / related story.

 

[mauvais]

Working class shop owners. Hilarious!

Are you refining the caricature here or something?

So you can own a house outright and be working class, right? But rent a leveraged, debt-laden retail premises and you become... what? Automagically middle class? One of the untouchables? Or do you conveniently vanish?

 

[cesare]

So why isnt this Bone fella being locked up for incitement to violence or whatever the law is now called?

Because most people aren't stupid enough to suggest or expect it, I imagine.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you refining the caricature here or something?

So you can own a house outright and be working class, right? But rent a leveraged, debt-laden retail premises and you become... what? Automagically middle class? One of the untouchables? Or do you conveniently vanish?

how often do we need to go over the phrase 'relationship to the means of production' before you understsnd it? shopowners are, hsve been, and will remain petit-bourgeois. unless they're proper bourgeois...

 

[Pickman's model]

So why isnt this Bone fella being locked up for incitement to violence or whatever the law is now called?

because he hasn't in fact incited violence perhaps.

 

[cesare]

Are you refining the caricature here or something?

So you can own a house outright and be working class, right? But rent a leveraged, debt-laden retail premises and you become... what? Automagically middle class? One of the untouchables? Or do you conveniently vanish?

“The small shopkeeper,” wrote Marx in “The Class Struggle in France,” “rose up and moved against the barricades, in order to restore the movement from the street into his shop. And when the barricades had been destroyed, when the workmen had been defeated, when the shopkeepers, drunk with victory, turned back to their shops, they found their entry barred by the saviours of property, the official agents of financial capital, who met them with stern demands: ‘The bills have become overdue! Pay up, gentlemen! Pay for your premises, pay four your goods.’ The poor little shop was ruined, the poor shopkeeper was undone!”

Marx and the Middle Classes

I'm not a Marxist, but I don't think C66 was refining the caricature. What do you think the caricature is of the working class, btw?

 

[mauvais]

Better example of how hipster lead gentrification works quickly and brutally is up the road, Kingsland Rd to dalston - was about 10 yrs ago the first ( v good ) little clubs started in the basements of the the old African establishments and the like on Kingsland , v hip, away from the over weekendy Shoreditch, and in that ten years house prices in the surrounding streets has started going mad , it was a like a big advertising hoarding for the better off middle classes : open for business . Massive over simplification of course , and of course more recently, Hackney / Hackney Wick / Clapton more obvious examples.

Not to disagree I think, but whilst hipsters might be a catalyst or enabler, they're not much of an active ingredient. What you describe is basically appropriation of value; something good exists, like a music scene, and it inflates into property demand, which is filled by a certain demographic. If you swap out the pejorative "hipster" for "young people who follow fashion" it gets a bit vague to pin anything on them, not least because it wouldn't take long to find some other bunch of people to do the job. To some extent, it's managed and directed.

And it is cyclical, so in the meantime, somewhere gets worse. Maybe not in equal measure or equal distance or in a tight timeframe, because populations and cities are expanding and property is still going up, but for every bit of London getting gentrified, then offset for those trends, there's probably one somewhere fading. You see this more clearly with other cities that have a more stable population & property values, like Manchester and e.g. Hulme and the areas people were displaced to. It's a turntable of decline and redevelopment/gentrification.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not to disagree I think, but whilst hipsters might be a catalyst or enabler, they're not much of an active ingredient. What you describe is basically appropriation of value; something good exists, like a music scene, and it inflates into property demand, which is filled by a certain demographic. If you swap out the pejorative "hipster" for "young people who follow fashion" it gets a bit vague to pin anything on them, not least because it wouldn't take long to find some other bunch of people to do the job. To some extent, it's managed and directed.

And it is cyclical, so in the meantime, somewhere gets worse. Maybe not in equal measure or equal distance or in a tight timeframe, because populations and cities are expanding and property is still going up, but for every bit of London getting gentrified, then offset for those trends, there's probably one somewhere fading. You see this more clearly with other cities that have a more stable population & property values, like Manchester and e.g. Hulme and the areas people were displaced to. It's a turntable of decline and redevelopment/gentrification.

name one of these 'fading' areas

 

[mauvais]

how often do we need to go over the phrase 'relationship to the means of production' before you understsnd it? shopowners are, hsve been, and will remain petit-bourgeois. unless they're proper bourgeois...

Thanks, eighteenth century! It's a joy to me that we can unironically draw up and put into practice real world divisions where property-owning baby boomers sit comfortably on one side of the definition, but own nothing except a bit of leveraged retail space or a fucking burger van and you're on the other with a nod to Kierkegaard or something, neglecting actual meaningful divisions in order to bite your own tail. What a load of shit.

Marx and the Middle Classes

I'm not a Marxist, but I don't think C66 was refining the caricature. What do you think the caricature is of the working class, btw?

Not a caricature of the WC per se, but a caricature of a useless pattern that grants you admission, and one that doesn't feel challenged by modern complexities. See above.

name one of these 'fading' areas

I don't know London. Probably somewhere much nearer the M25 now. And 'fading' isn't necessarily connected at all to property values either. But when the crash comes and the music stops and various demographics migrate to or settle in particular places, it'll be a lot clearer.