Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[Pickman's model]

That's not what I said. The East End is being gentrified because rents are going through the roof. That's what forces people out.

i suppose that the council estates and housing association flats in the east end either knocked down to be replaced by yuppie flats (e.g. the ocean estate) or handed to developers for yuppie flats (the balfron tower) have nothing to do with it.

 

[The Flying Pig]

You're proper dodgy, get to fuck

cant help yourself. Anger management. May help

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So are you saying that the East End *is * being gentrified then?

I'm saying what I've been saying all along - that gentrification is the process by which one demographic is replaced by a richer one and the mechanism by which that is made to happen is rent hikes/social housing destruction/house price increases. And yes, of course, we're seeing it all over London.

 

[butchersapron]

Which one was that?

Apols wrong thread - here.

edit: so many pig/cereal things to catch up on.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm saying what I've been saying all along - that gentrification is the process by which one demographic is replaced by a richer one and the mechanism by which that is made to happen is rent hikes/social housing destruction/house price increases. And yes, of course, we're seeing it all over London.

not to mention local government and regional government involvement to make london safe for gentrification.

 

[cesare]

cant help yourself. Anger management. May help

 

[Pickman's model]

cant help yourself. Anger management. May help

i don't think anything can help you you're too far gone.

 

[no-no]

Symbols don't matter, they say as they applaud the latest socially liberal top-down symbolic trick pulled by politicians.

Symbols do matter and attacks on symbols get to the heart of the matter. They directly attack what they mean to people and how they are viewed in a way that an attack on a wider structure (how, btw? all you, attack the real target types, tell us how) will not. Things start at a point - they're not the finished product. This looks like a great start. The finished product might have enough legs to have a go at what the liberals on here (note their absence on other things criticising that wider structure) are whining about.

Well done to all. More of it. More symbols. More attacks.

I'm not sure it doesn't turn people off the subject when a symbolic attack is made though.It makes it easy for people to write off valid points because all they see is what looks on the surface like a pointless piece of vandalism. Real targets would include council offices? estate agents maybe? Chain their doors shut so they can't get in on monday morning or simply smash the fuck out of them.

What other things are considered viable targets for symbolic reasons?

 

[cesare]

Apols wrong thread - here.

edit: so may pig/cereal things to catch up on.

bristling with pigs and swimming in cereals.

 

[Pickman's model]

bristling with pigs and swimming in cereals.

bristling with pigs swimming in cereals? and they got 5 stars on the hygiene?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure it doesn't turn people off the subject when a symbolic attack is made though.It makes it easy for people to write off valid points because all they see is what looks on the surface like a pointless piece of vandalism. Real targets would include council offices? estate agents maybe? Chain their doors shut so they can't get in on monday morning or simply smash the fuck out of them.

What other things are considered viable targets for symbolic reasons?

have you ever considered attacking tower hamlets town hall?

 

[cesare]

bristling with pigs swimming in cereals? and they got 5 stars on the hygiene?

If they get a visit from the EHO they'll end up wearing ironic beard snoods

 

[ViolentPanda]

Remember, we must start from first principles on every thread relating to gentrification, including, it seems, "what is capitalism?"

Because posters like Dowie always know best - that their incoherent ideas about class and capitalism are "common-sense" and take precedence over anything remotely analytical.

 

[no-no]

have you ever considered attacking tower hamlets town hall?

Is it well fortified?

 

[cesare]

Is it well fortified?

Different sort of fortification to added vitamins, certainly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And we're full circle to this again

And it smelt of dogshit the first time around.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not sure it doesn't turn people off the subject when a symbolic attack is made though.It makes it easy for people to write off valid points because all they see is what looks on the surface like a pointless piece of vandalism. Real targets would include council offices? estate agents maybe? Chain their doors shut so they can't get in on monday morning or simply smash the fuck out of them.

What other things are considered viable targets for symbolic reasons?

Turn who off? Turn them off from what? Points that would be valid otherwise? Where? With what weight?

You open the door to other actions - other actions (apart from the council one) but limit them to what you think about people rather than the people themselves. If an angry shouty thing catches fire then great. If not. Nothing lost. We're back at5 trying to find ways to stop all this shit.

 

[butchersapron]

All the people going on about the real enemies, the people who should be targeted - tell me how. Tell me exactly how.

 

[no-no]

I worry it turns off people who are on the fence over issues like gentrification. It becomes easy for them to disregard perfectly valid complaints like rocketing rents, social housing being sold and redeveloped. It feels like handing a PR piece to the rightwing press. I don't have an issue with attacking property to get attention, other targets? Foxtons? Town Hall? Any other chains in the area? There must be a tesco's nearby....How? treat them exactly as the cereal shop was treated? Would that be less effective? I say all this because I know I'm going to end up having an argument about this with certain relatives of mine and I also know they just won't be able to see past the cereal shop being smashed up.

 

[cesare]

I worry it turns off people who are on the fence over issues like gentrification. It becomes easy for them to disregard perfectly valid complaints like rocketing rents, social housing being sold and redeveloped. It feels like handing a PR piece to the rightwing press. I don't have an issue with attacking property to get attention, other targets? Foxtons? Town Hall? Any other chains in the area? There must be a tesco's nearby....How? treat them exactly as the cereal shop was treated? Would that be less effective? I say all this because I know I'm going to end up having an argument about this with certain relatives of mine and I also know they just won't be able to see past the cereal shop being smashed up.

The cereal shop wasn't smashed up. It didn't even have a window broken.

 

[no-no]

That's not going to assuage the people I'm talking about. All they'll care about is that the shop was attacked and the owners are innocent in the matter.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it well fortified?

it's in the back of beyond, on private land, and in the coldest part of the borough where the temperature rarely rises above 10C

 

[Pickman's model]

That's not going to assuage the people I'm talking about. All they'll care about is that the shop was attacked and the owners are innocent in the matter.

but they're not innocent in the matter. their shop is deliberately sited to get trade from gentrifiers. their shop is deliberately provocative - see the c4 interview where they refuse to answer the question about the price of their cereal. it's the offbeat sort of shop so beloved of gentrifiers and their class. if this shop was in belsize park no one would bat an eyelid at it. but it's not, its target market is not the middle classes of hampstead but younger gentrifiers.

 

[butchersapron]

That's not going to assuage the people I'm talking about. All they'll care about is that the shop was attacked and the owners are innocent in the matter.

Result

 

[no-no]

Yeah I can see that, I'm not crying into my coco pops about their shop. I don't think many see it that way though, they're being portrayed as plucky young entrepeneurs just trying to make a living and building somethign nice in an otherwise shit area.

 

[ViolentPanda]

She's probably spent more on her recent jaunt to Russia than my 7 trips in the last decade combined and she's seen fuck all apart from the inside of luxury hotels and shops.

"Broke" usually means something different to the posh, than to us proles. For us it's "pasta and scrape for tea", for them it's "I'll have to dine in, tonight. Where did I put that tuna steak...?"

 

[Pickman's model]

"Broke" usually means something different to the posh, than to us proles. For us it's "pasta and scrape for tea", for them it's "I'll have to dine in, tonight. Where did I put that tuna steak...?"

broke is where you have to walk to work and back and maybe have a bag of crisps or a roll (just a roll) for dinner.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Regardless of what you think of the protest it was a genius target from a media coverage point of view.

Still in the Guardian today and I saw some tweets linking to a Times article saying protest was headed by middle class professor (they were on about Lisa Mckenzie)

She's a lecturer, not a professor. Trust Rupert's dogs to get the facts wrong.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Would you include a bagel shop in your definition?

They may not be quirky now, but I seem to remember a time when bagels were a novelty.

Pffft.Goy.

 

[krtek a houby]

Why did Bone and co. target a small independent business, though? Will they be attacking other small independent, family run businesses in the area?