Freeman-on-the-land idiocies

[nogojones]

I believe longdog is well versed in the history of the “Baron”.

It looks like he died in 2021 aged circa 58 (RIP Baron).

His FB has all the usual creatively spelled anti-lockdown, vaccine, chemtrail conspiracy bobbins, but sadly doesn't mention how he died. I hope it wasn't covid, or complications from it.

 

[nogojones]

BBC News - General election candidate jailed over Covid fine

Dr Anne McCloskey jailed over Covid fine

Anne McCloskey is standing as a candidate in Foyle in the upcoming Westminster election.

www.bbc.com

I guess this falls under the freeman type stuff , jailed for a week as she refused to pay the fine (some sort of lockdown fine) as she didn't recognise the court.

Most republican volunteers when in British courts, tended to not recognise the authority of the courts. But they were going down for decades anyway, so you might as well cunt off the judge and the British state regardless.

 

[MickiQ]

You absolute fucker.

Sunday morning slugishness has made me watch that vid. Then I followed up on some of the bollocks contained in it. 2.5 hours later and three cups of coffee later brought me to...

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That Warrington Council didn't have enough staff to read through his 64 page dyslexic "affidavit" back in 2011 means that this magic trick gets you out of every PCN.

If you bother to watch it all, close to the end the lady explains how she doesn't stand under laws and all the usual bollocks and when her car was clamped after she didn't pay up for her PCN's, tax or whatever, she spent three hours sawing the clamp off and managed to deflate her tyre in the process. Off she went for a drive, with the flat (if the world is flat, why shouldn't my tyre be as well?) only to be pulled by the plod for a flat tyre. Quick check on the PCN shows she isn't legal to be on the pavement, let alone the road and impounded her car.

The late "Baron David Ward" facebook then took me to WeRe "bank" WeRe Bank of England. If you pay this lot £180 (but please remember money isn't real - unless you're paying them, then it's pounds sterling please), they'll send you a "checkbook" that you can use to pay off your debts, as it's proof that you're "tendered payment".

I'm sort of split between laughing my socks off, but then feeling quite guilty, as a lot of these people, whilst being clearly barking and pretty entertaining, are also pretty vulnerable.

I managed to watch about 10 mins of it before I thought why I am wasting my time on this shit

 

[NoXion]

You absolute fucker.

Sunday morning slugishness has made me watch that vid. Then I followed up on some of the bollocks contained in it. 2.5 hours later and three cups of coffee later brought me to...

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That Warrington Council didn't have enough staff to read through his 64 page dyslexic "affidavit" back in 2011 means that this magic trick gets you out of every PCN.

If you bother to watch it all, close to the end the lady explains how she doesn't stand under laws and all the usual bollocks and when her car was clamped after she didn't pay up for her PCN's, tax or whatever, she spent three hours sawing the clamp off and managed to deflate her tyre in the process. Off she went for a drive, with the flat (if the world is flat, why shouldn't my tyre be as well?) only to be pulled by the plod for a flat tyre. Quick check on the PCN shows she isn't legal to be on the pavement, let alone the road and impounded her car.

The late "Baron David Ward" facebook then took me to WeRe "bank" WeRe Bank of England. If you pay this lot £180 (but please remember money isn't real - unless you're paying them, then it's pounds sterling please), they'll send you a "checkbook" that you can use to pay off your debts, as it's proof that you're "tendered payment".

I'm sort of split between laughing my socks off, but then feeling quite guilty, as a lot of these people, whilst being clearly barking and pretty entertaining, are also pretty vulnerable.

I'm not sure how much "vulnerability" is a valid excuse for people like this. They may well be desperate, but they're also capable enough to operate a motor vehicle on public roads, and to cling onto pseudo-legalese in an attempt to avoid responsibility for their flouting of laws and regulations. Regardless of whether they genuinely believe this rubbish or are cynically using it as a smokescreen, I don't think having some kind of mental deficit or some sort of social development issue is a necessary nor sufficient explanation for their actions. They want to avoid responsibilities that they are fully aware the authorities are demanding of them, and for that I believe they are culpable.

I mean take the picture above, it's right there in plain English: they didn't have enough staff to contest the PCN. Assuming that means all of them can be avoided in that way is just as daft as assuming that one is free to do absolutely anything simply because there isn't a police officer on literally every street corner. There doesn't have to be, which is why that lady got pulled over and her car impounded despite her great escape from the clutches of the clamp. Who do you think you are kidding Mr Fotler?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

The woman in the video is a believer and proselytiser, not sure if she is running that workshop they have coming up in bristol but has done some other before.

Some vulnerable people will fall for it especially if they happen to be in financial trouble though which is a problem.

 

[T & P]

This is funny as...

Sovereign Citizens Turn on Each Other Over $200K Fake License Plates

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/GettyMembers of the far right sovereign citizen movement are best known for their clashes with law enforcement. In traffic stops and courtrooms across the country, sovereign citizens have tried—and failed—to implement their bizarre homemade...

ca.style.yahoo.com

Since at least March, Straight has been promoting another potentially lucrative plan, offering tiny, nine-foot plots in the “Republic of Texas” for $387. In the twisted logic of sovereign citizens, that would mean anyone in the country could buy a plot and renounce their American citizenship to become “Texians.”

But an add-on deal sold by Straight as part of the land deal went even further, selling a “Right to Travel” package for $512 that offered a fictitious “Republic of Texas” license plate. On his website, Straight claims any driver with the license plates couldn’t be legally pulled over for a traffic stop. Sweetening the deal, Straight claimed a holder of the plates could even sue any police officer who pulled them over for substantial damages, with Straight’s wife as their lawyer.

The license-plate deal angered the sovereign citizens in the Republic of Texas, who appear to be concerned about running. In a pop-up on their website, the group claimed they’ve been deluged with unhappy customers complaining about Straight.

On their website, the Republic of Texas claimed Straight sold the land-and-plate packages for $897 to more than 200 people, making roughly $179,400. But after running afoul of law enforcement in the past, the “Texians” say they want no part of this license-plate operation, warning that anyone with the plates does “so at their own risk.”

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is funny as...

Sovereign Citizens Turn on Each Other Over $200K Fake License Plates

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/GettyMembers of the far right sovereign citizen movement are best known for their clashes with law enforcement. In traffic stops and courtrooms across the country, sovereign citizens have tried—and failed—to implement their bizarre homemade...

ca.style.yahoo.com

Blimey, there's loads of weird shit in that article!

For the Republic of Texas, beliefs in their own legal impunity have turned violent. In 1997, one branch of the group kidnapped two people and held them as hostages, demanding the release of a “Republic of Texas” member who had been arrested for pushing fake legal documents. After a weeklong standoff with law enforcement, one of the group’s members was killed after shooting at a police helicopter.

JFC, one of the loons got himself killed!

Straight, meanwhile, has become one of the leading figures of the sovereign citizen movement, often pushing his theories at multiple seminars a month where tickets can cost more than $150. At his well-attended events, Straight rambles for hours about his oddball legal ideas, drawing complex diagrams on a white board and claiming that the American Bar Association is responsible for most of the problems in the United States.

Bloody hell, he must be making a fortune. <makes notes>

Amid the fight with the “Republic of Texas,” Straight’s wife, Bonnie Thomas, was arrested Monday outside of Fort Worth. She faces four charges, according to a county jail website: carrying a weapon in a prohibited place, illegal burning, resisting arrest, and assault a police officer or judge. No further details were immediately available, and it’s not clear whether her arrest is related to the fake license plates.

Interesting court case incoming.

 

[T & P]

All those people who've been ripped off have to do to recoup their money is to sue the the guy in a Court of Law for fraud. Open and shut case, really.



Oh, wait...

 

[equationgirl]

I can appreciate that those in debt may be desperate enough to believe someone who claims that debt can be erased through this type of shit.

 

[T & P]

I can appreciate that those in debt may be desperate enough to believe someone who claims that debt can be erased through this type of shit.

That can happen of course, but in this particular case it is literally arseholes with disposible income trying to buy their way out of having to follow the law so they can do whatever they want with impunity. Fuck them all.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Yeah debt can place an enormous amount of pressure on people so I do understand in some circumstances there might be that element of desperation. More often than not though it's just a temper tantrum at not being able to do whatever they want as far as I can see. No-one is that desperate because they've been given a parking ticket.

And then you get onto the 'don't want to pay child support' twats...

 

[mojo pixy]

Yeah debt can place an enormous amount of pressure on people so I do understand in some circumstances there might be that element of desperation. More often than not though it's just a temper tantrum at not being able to do whatever they want as far as I can see. No-one is that desperate because they've been given a parking ticket.

And then you get onto the 'don't want to pay child support' twats...

Council tax too, and IME it's precisely the same idiots that complain about or refuse paying council tax who are also all over NextDoor complaining about the state of the roads, flytipping and bin collections.

But then, in order to really swallow FMotL crap you need to be quite allergic to reason already.

 

[emanymton]

At it's core it is a far right movement that draws in people who want the benfits of living in a society with none of the responsibilities. Fuck them.

 

[equationgirl]

Not excusing any of this of course, just trying to address the point made up thread about vulnerability.

 

[elbows]

Not sure of all the background beliefs of this group but there are a few superficial similarities at least:

The jury heard the incident followed a series of "warrants" allegedly sent to Mr Brookes by Mr Christopher.

He was said to be the "chief judge" of an online movement called the "Federal Postal Court" or the "Court of the People".

Mr Walker said the defendants had "self-conferred" legal powers and they encouraged people to pay a subscription to join them.

Below Mr Christopher in ranking were Mr Martin and Mr Harper acting as his "sheriffs" and Ms Harper as a "postal inspector", the trial heard.

Their mission was to "close down the courts" in Essex, Mr Walker told the jury.

"Part and parcel of that was arresting, detaining and taking the coroner himself, Mr Brookes," he said.

Mr Martin and Ms Harper, who lives with Mr Harper in south Benfleet, Essex, were found to be in possession of handcuffs, the jury heard.

They believed Mr Brookes had been acting "unlawfully" and wanted to hand him over to the police, it was alleged.

'Anti-establishment cult' tried to kidnap Essex coroner - trial

A senior coroner was left in "fear and distress" after the group stormed a court, a trial hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Poot]

Not sure of all the background beliefs of this group but there are a few superficial similarities at least:

'Anti-establishment cult' tried to kidnap Essex coroner - trial

A senior coroner was left in "fear and distress" after the group stormed a court, a trial hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mark Christopher is dangerous. He influenced "my" FOTLER so I did a bit of digging and I was quite shocked. Surprised he hasn't been in more trouble.

 

[T & P]

The odious twats have been found guilty. Here's hoping they spend at good stretch inside

'Cult' members found guilty of trying to kidnap Essex coroner

The four defendants are part of a "conspiracy theory" with self-conferred legal powers.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[T & P]

Mind you, on this evidence perhaps they should be sent to a secure hospital rather than jail...

 

[farmerbarleymow]

The odious twats have been found guilty. Here's hoping they spend at good stretch inside

'Cult' members found guilty of trying to kidnap Essex coroner

The four defendants are part of a "conspiracy theory" with self-conferred legal powers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Trying to kidnap a judge is almost guaranteed to get them sent down for a fairly long time.

 

[gentlegreen]

Google Lens is a remarkable thing - even with a photo like that !

https://wethepeople-schweiz.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/4_231013-Judicial-Notice-Full-version-3.pdf

 

[rubbershoes]

Google Lens is a remarkable thing - even with a photo like that !

https://wethepeople-schweiz.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/4_231013-Judicial-Notice-Full-version-3.pdf

Someone actually took the time to write out that nonsense

 

[petee]

:VERITAS-FIDES-CANDOR-FIRMITAS-FLAG.

one of these is not like the others.

 

[gentlegreen]

:VERITAS-FIDES-CANDOR-FIRMITAS-FLAG.

one of these is not like the others.

indeed -

What is the origin of the word flag?

From Old Norse flag, flaga, probably from Proto-Germanic *flaką (“something flat”), from Proto-Indo-European *pleh₂- (“flat, broad, plain”)

 

[gentlegreen]

searching for that text brings up lunacy everywhere !

 

[T & P]

Google Lens is a remarkable thing - even with a photo like that !

https://wethepeople-schweiz.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/4_231013-Judicial-Notice-Full-version-3.pdf

Fuck me, that is proper batshit material there... And they save the best for the last couple of pages...

 

[gentlegreen]

Fuck me, that is proper batshit material there... And they save the best for the last couple of pages...

I suppose it's up a level from numerology

 

[elbows]

I couldnt be arsed to read it properly but I skipped to near the end and see that they were going on about how they had authorised the use of the death penalty to punish.

 

[elbows]

The odious twats have been found guilty. Here's hoping they spend at good stretch inside

'Cult' members found guilty of trying to kidnap Essex coroner

The four defendants are part of a "conspiracy theory" with self-conferred legal powers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Dont often get a chance to do quotes like this:

The incident followed Mr Brookes being sent a series of letters between March 2022 and April 2023, accusing him of being a "detrimental necromancer" who must face corporal punishment.

"I thought this was odd, to say the least," Mr Brookes said.

 

[shifting gears]

Dont often get a chance to do quotes like this:

Superbly understated response from Mr. Brookes, who went on to say the whole affair was a “mere trifle” and that he was “looking forward to a nice cup of tea”.

 

[existentialist]

Superbly understated response from Mr. Brookes, who went on to say the whole affair was a “mere trifle” and that he was “looking forward to a nice cup of tea”.

Gotta love a bit of good old British sang froid. The sort of thing that is so characteristic of our national psyche that even the French don't have a word for it.