Freeman-on-the-land idiocies

[pogofish]

This 'Freeman on the Land' shit is all wrapped-up in QAnon, David fucking Icke, etc., and it can be deadly.

It goes back further than that - Freeman shit has been going about for maybe as far as twenty years back. Although the near pathological self-obsession of the Trump/Q-era may well have refined it somewhat as well as greatly increasing their profile. Icke always seemed to be surfing along on whatever bollocks he thought might pay best to me.

Aspects of the "Sovereign Citizen" shit go back further - I can remember a certain type of "new society" hippy talking much the same guff back in the 1970s but most people with any sense just gave them a wide berth and left them to it.

 

[two sheds]

british caledonian belgium?

i was assuming grauniad

 

[PR1Berske]

No "Freeman" has ever won a case. It's all theatre. They depend on the lie to keep going, tragically it's all they have in their lives.

 

[petee]

It goes back further than that - Freeman shit has been going about for maybe as far as twenty years back. Although the near pathological self-obsession of the Trump/Q-era may well have refined it somewhat as well as greatly increasing their profile. Icke always seemed to be surfing along on whatever bollocks he thought might pay best to me.

Aspects of the "Sovereign Citizen" shit go back further - I can remember a certain type of "new society" hippy talking much the same guff back in the 1970s but most people with any sense just gave them a wide berth and left them to it.

here in the states, a direct predecessor

Posse Comitatus (organization) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[cupid_stunt]

It goes back further than that - Freeman shit has been going about for maybe as far as twenty years back. Although the near pathological self-obsession of the Trump/Q-era may well have refined it somewhat as well as greatly increasing their profile. Icke always seemed to be surfing along on whatever bollocks he thought might pay best to me.

Aspects of the "Sovereign Citizen" shit go back further - I can remember a certain type of "new society" hippy talking much the same guff back in the 1970s but most people with any sense just gave them a wide berth and left them to it.

Oh, I know FOTL has been around longer, but all this conspiracy stuff - FOTL, Icke types, QAnon, covid deniers, anti-vax loons, etc. - has a lot of overlap, thanks to it spreading online, and certainly it has got a lot worst since covid arrived.

I guess once you disappear down one rabbit hole, you end up in the warren/sewer where all the different conspiraloons resides.

 

[NoXion]

Oh, I know FOTL has been around longer, but all this conspiracy stuff - FOTL, Icke types, QAnon, covid deniers, anti-vax loons, etc. - has a lot of overlap, thanks to it spreading online, and certainly it has got a lot worst since covid arrived.

I guess once you disappear down one rabbit hole, you end up in the warren/sewer where all the different conspiraloons resides.

This phenomenon is generally known as crank magnetism. It's been observed for a while, but QAnon has made it much more prevalent.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Crank magnetism - what a brilliant term.

 

[Voley]

"Crank magnetism is an important stepping stone on the path towards being wrong all of the time."

 

[two sheds]

Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution.

Fractal wrongness

Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally-wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.

rationalwiki.org

 

[Pickman's model]

wot, this Gruinard?

Yup

 

[Serge Forward]

This phenomenon is generally known as crank magnetism. It's been observed for a while, but QAnon has made it much more prevalent.

On the subject of crank magnetism, I was rather taken with this musical delight. It's a bit long but the music is great, and the lyrics are spot on. It's a while though before it gets to the words, so bear with the lengthy musical intro.

 

[A380]

This phenomenon is generally known as crank magnetism. It's been observed for a while, but QAnon has made it much more prevalent.

Interesting link thanks. pity it was written by a patsy of the moon lizards

 

[Voley]

Interesting link thanks. pity it was written by a patsy of the moon lizards

Read that as 'pasty' at first, not gonna lie.

 

[pogofish]

here in the states, a direct predecessor

Posse Comitatus (organization) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Interesting - These guys also tended to be at the "Christian" end of the counterculture and yes, despite their outward claim to socialism, a lot of their ideas and worldview was rather what I'd later come to understand as far-too far-right.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting - These guys also tended to be at the "Christian" end of the counterculture and yes, despite their outward claim to socialism, a lot of their ideas and worldview was rather what I'd later come to understand as far-too far-right.

sure christians can be on the far right, no reason why they can't, and just being in a counter-culture does not make you progressive

 

[pogofish]

sure christians can be on the far right, no reason why they can't, and just being in a counter-culture does not make you progressive

They liked to paint themselves as progressive though - i suppose part of it might have been that they had found a "movement" with wide enough toleration to put-up with them?

 

[two sheds]

This phenomenon is generally known as crank magnetism. It's been observed for a while, but QAnon has made it much more prevalent.

 

[Pickman's model]

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Didn't think coins contained ferrous metals as a rule

 

[Spymaster]

Didn't think coins contained ferrous metals as a rule

5p and 10p pieces do.

Get your magnet out!

 

[two sheds]

we've pretty well all been vaccinated just see if they stick

 

[existentialist]

Didn't think coins contained ferrous metals as a rule

Crank magnetism transcends such mundane physical realities

 

[Pickman's model]

5p and 10p pieces do.

Get your magnet out!

Once again you wait to see what tack I take and go the opposite way

 

[Sasaferrato]

sure christians can be on the far right, no reason why they can't, and just being in a counter-culture does not make you progressive

I would imagine that the ultra-right has the 'Christians', the atheists will go to the ultra-left.

Faux Christianity seems to be a cornerstone of right wing lunatics.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Didn't think coins contained ferrous metals as a rule

Some do. I have a strip of magnetic sticky tape across the front of my monitor stand, with coins adhering. One of them is a bi-metallic Mexican peso.

 

[Voley]

A novel take here:

 

[Sasaferrato]

A novel take here:

I think graphene hydroxide would be a carbohydrate? C+O+H

 

[gentlegreen]

I think graphene hydroxide would be a carbohydrate? C+O+H

I actually bothered to read up a bit on graphene oxide a while back - there is Graphene oxide and REDUCED graphene oxide ... there are explorations relating to use as a biomedical substrate, but the notable application they mentioned is as a lightweight concrete reinforcer ...

The basic benefit of oxidation is to switch it from hydrophobic to hydrophilic ..

 

[gentlegreen]

Incidentally my PalTalk Washington-DC antivaxxer is going down the rabbithole again and has added two photos relating to this load of bollocks that no way has SHE "researched" - the contortions you have to do when "following the science" are amazing ...

mRNA vaccines do not carry graphene in their lipid nanoparticles ...

 

[gentlegreen]

So I replaced the redacted / polite mention in my profile and took the gloves off again..
She had tidied her profile up and I had thought she was genuinely looking for help - but our recent PMs where I focussed on gardening and salad and even potatoes in Peru - her ethnicity - always degenerated into " a shame you're vaxxed" (sic) and me blocking her again ... a shame as I had yet to get around to the resurgence in the Peruvian guano industry ...

 

[Sasaferrato]

I actually bothered to read up a bit on graphene oxide a while back - there is Graphene oxide and REDUCED graphene oxide ... there are explorations relating to use as a biomedical substrate, but the notable application they mentioned is as a lightweight concrete reinforcer ...

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So graphene mimics benzine in structure, with a C6 ring?