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Freelancers during this crisis and the Self Employment Income Support Scheme
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kazza007
Bunned
No, I work in healthcare as a locum. My profits are around UK national average.
Leafster
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There's slightly more of a chance that directors of their own limited companies can claim under the Job Retention Scheme (CJRS).
Here's something I wrote elsewhere:
The guidance published by the government still does not clarify the position with respect to directors of their own limited companies however, in an interview with the CBI, Ben Kerry (Head of Labour Markets at HM Treasury and one of the authors of the CJRS) said that directors on the payroll can be furloughed and still undertake their statutory duties as directors.
Looking at a director’s duties they include being legally responsible for running the company and submitting information to Companies House on time including filing of Annual Accounts. There are specific duties concerning the interests of the company’s employees, the need to support business relationships with suppliers, customers and others, and the need to exercise reasonable care, skill and diligence. All these suggest that the day to day management of a company by a director could be construed to be part of their statutory duties rather than working and therefore they could be furloughed and still carry on with these aspects.
I am still waiting for the government or HMRC to confirm this interpretation.
Here's something I wrote elsewhere:
The guidance published by the government still does not clarify the position with respect to directors of their own limited companies however, in an interview with the CBI, Ben Kerry (Head of Labour Markets at HM Treasury and one of the authors of the CJRS) said that directors on the payroll can be furloughed and still undertake their statutory duties as directors.
Looking at a director’s duties they include being legally responsible for running the company and submitting information to Companies House on time including filing of Annual Accounts. There are specific duties concerning the interests of the company’s employees, the need to support business relationships with suppliers, customers and others, and the need to exercise reasonable care, skill and diligence. All these suggest that the day to day management of a company by a director could be construed to be part of their statutory duties rather than working and therefore they could be furloughed and still carry on with these aspects.
I am still waiting for the government or HMRC to confirm this interpretation.
chainsawjob
Kipping in the dunes
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Thing is that this fucks people using limited liabilities as personal services companies longer term, not just cos of IR35 but also the disparity between dividend and income rates for those outside IR35. Sunak has already said something about this, that those who benefit now will have to accept an equal share of tax burden or something like that. And tbf he's right on that. Careful what you wish for and all that
chainsawjob
Kipping in the dunes
Useful blog for self-employed people applying for UC
www.edwardrapley.co.uk
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chainsawjob
Kipping in the dunes
Useful summary of where we're at and who might still miss out on help.
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Self-Employment Income Support Scheme - pre-registration now live.
You can now pre-register for the above scheme, so you are ready to start your claim from 8am on 15th May.
Things you need:
1 - Unique Taxpayer Reference no.
2 - National Insurance no.
3 - Government Gateway user ID and password (if you don't have one, it gives you the option to set one up)
4 - Proof of ID, this can be a current driving licence or passport, otherwise your can use their 'multiple security questions' option.
You will then get a reminder e-mail when the scheme is live.
The link.
You can now pre-register for the above scheme, so you are ready to start your claim from 8am on 15th May.
Things you need:
1 - Unique Taxpayer Reference no.
2 - National Insurance no.
3 - Government Gateway user ID and password (if you don't have one, it gives you the option to set one up)
4 - Proof of ID, this can be a current driving licence or passport, otherwise your can use their 'multiple security questions' option.
You will then get a reminder e-mail when the scheme is live.
The link.
Leafster
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Just a quick point on the SEISS. If you use an accountant to handle your tax affairs, HMRC have excluded them from making a claim on your behalf *.
I'd suggest talking to them as they will be able to explain the process to you in more detail if you have any concerns.
If HMRC have an email address for you or a mobile number they may send you a message to invite you to check your eligibility. There are numerous scams circulating at the moment so, if in doubt, don't follow any links in any messages purported to be from HMRC. cupid_stunt 's link above is valid so maybe use that as a starting point.
If HMRC don't have a valid email address or mobile number you will receive a letter through the post but this might take a week or so to get to you.
* HMRC have said that it was impossible to set up the required systems to enable accountants to claim on their clients' behalf in the time frame. However, they were able to do it for the Job Retention Scheme so I don't think their argument holds water. Instead, I think the real rationale is to get all tax payers to set up their own government gateway ID so they can roll out Making Tax Digital for the Self-Employed more easily. It's also an attempt to deny taxpayers their right to professional representation.
HMRC have also said that any attempts by accountants to access the system by using their clients' Government Gateway ID credentials may be looked on as fraud.
I'd suggest talking to them as they will be able to explain the process to you in more detail if you have any concerns.
If HMRC have an email address for you or a mobile number they may send you a message to invite you to check your eligibility. There are numerous scams circulating at the moment so, if in doubt, don't follow any links in any messages purported to be from HMRC. cupid_stunt 's link above is valid so maybe use that as a starting point.
If HMRC don't have a valid email address or mobile number you will receive a letter through the post but this might take a week or so to get to you.
* HMRC have said that it was impossible to set up the required systems to enable accountants to claim on their clients' behalf in the time frame. However, they were able to do it for the Job Retention Scheme so I don't think their argument holds water. Instead, I think the real rationale is to get all tax payers to set up their own government gateway ID so they can roll out Making Tax Digital for the Self-Employed more easily. It's also an attempt to deny taxpayers their right to professional representation.
HMRC have also said that any attempts by accountants to access the system by using their clients' Government Gateway ID credentials may be looked on as fraud.
pieandmashfirm
backwardly forward .I worked it out with a pencil
C&P from email i received from accountant. after telling me last month as director of ltd company i can furlough myself and i should be entitled to something ....
Hi
I am sorry to report that our claims under the Corona virus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS) for your Furlough from your company, currently falls outside of claims system announced in March.Our efforts to claim through the claims portal that opened on Monday have been rejected for those companies that operate an annual payroll scheme.Although you are included on a payroll on an annual basis, because this annual submission was made on dates between 31st March and 5th April 2020 these fall outside the CJRS claim terms.The legislation published by the Government indicates that only employees that appear on a payroll submission on or prior to 19th March 2020 would be included.Unless the Government make a further amendment to this scheme, I am sorry to say that no claim will be possible.
Hi
I am sorry to report that our claims under the Corona virus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS) for your Furlough from your company, currently falls outside of claims system announced in March.Our efforts to claim through the claims portal that opened on Monday have been rejected for those companies that operate an annual payroll scheme.Although you are included on a payroll on an annual basis, because this annual submission was made on dates between 31st March and 5th April 2020 these fall outside the CJRS claim terms.The legislation published by the Government indicates that only employees that appear on a payroll submission on or prior to 19th March 2020 would be included.Unless the Government make a further amendment to this scheme, I am sorry to say that no claim will be possible.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The good news is I've been self-employed working for my own Ltd company since 2015 so I should definitely come under this, the bad news is that I am currently still working up until the end of June when the scheme supposedly ends, bit of a bummer since I have a feeling that more work is not going to be that easy to come by.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Counting down the days to Friday. On paper it appears I qualify, but I also earn via PAYE so I've still got some linguring doubt. Although I had the email from HMRC saying that I might, I won't belive it till I see money in my account.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Good luck to you, and indeed everyone else who is waiting on Friday.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Mrs Bears has been given Thursday to apply but she's 100% self-employed so hopefully more clear-cut.
danski
"vibey"
How have you all been contacted? Email?
I signed up the other day after cupid_stunt ’s post but have heard nothing yet.
I signed up the other day after cupid_stunt ’s post but have heard nothing yet.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
So, furlough has been extended until the end of October, yet they still haven't confirmed help for the self-employed will be extended beyond the end of May, the cunts. 
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I just signed up now, and it told me I'd be contacted by 16th.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
They seem to be spreading the load of claims being made, to avoid over loading the system.
danski
"vibey"
I signed in again and it said I can claim from midday Friday.
The claim process I would assume.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I fully expect the website to go down on Friday. 
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I didn't sign up for anything, just got an email saying I should register as I might be eligible.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
PMQs - Ed Davey asked Johnson if the government would be extending support for the self-employed, inline with the furlough scheme, and the twat just responded by saying they are paying 3-months for the self-employed, which we knew anyway, and just ignored the actual question.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
They've reached a critical date where employees are concerned, If a company makes more than 100 people redundant, there is a process to go through which takes 45 days so if a company wanted to make redundancies for the end of June (when the furlough cash would have run out) and thus save paying the people they make redundant out of their own pocket, then they would have to start this process next Monday at the latest. There is no way come Monday that most companies are going to have a scoobies about how things are going to pan out. I can't imagine the Govt is overly keen (just as things are starting to creak back into life) to have 100,000's of redundancies announced on Monday especially if it turns out that just waiting a couple of months could have saved many of them.
Extending the scheme buys them until middle of September and they are presumably hoping that a) a lot of people are back at work and thus not on the scheme, b) some employers (I doubt all) are picking up part of the cost of the furlough scheme, c) any redundancies are at least spread out and thus less in the public eye and d) They will have at least more of a clue where all this is going.
Small companies making a few redundant can do it quicker but they are probably hoping that a) the greater flexibility will cause employers to hang on a bit longer or at least b) not be so obvious about it. The same thinking probably applies to the self-employed, any that don't make it will at least die quietly in the corner without too much fuss.
Wouldn't surprise me if the scheme got extended again if come end of August there is still not enough signs of life getting back to 'normal'
Extending the scheme buys them until middle of September and they are presumably hoping that a) a lot of people are back at work and thus not on the scheme, b) some employers (I doubt all) are picking up part of the cost of the furlough scheme, c) any redundancies are at least spread out and thus less in the public eye and d) They will have at least more of a clue where all this is going.
Small companies making a few redundant can do it quicker but they are probably hoping that a) the greater flexibility will cause employers to hang on a bit longer or at least b) not be so obvious about it. The same thinking probably applies to the self-employed, any that don't make it will at least die quietly in the corner without too much fuss.
Wouldn't surprise me if the scheme got extended again if come end of August there is still not enough signs of life getting back to 'normal'
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
So, pretty much all work cancelled since March.
Got onto UC 1st payment last week tat's the rent covered as some invoices payment came in late.
SEISS applioed for just now, £20 above my calculated 3 year average but £60 under the 2018-19 year which I thought they might use, easy peasy, no sign of a creaking system as I heard about yesterday, and for the late night owls: your claim date is a calendar date, starts at 1s past midnight.
I am guessing the UC will use the one off 3 month payment on a cash accounting basis though rather than smoothing it so I probably won't get anything from them on my next due date.
Got onto UC 1st payment last week tat's the rent covered as some invoices payment came in late.
SEISS applioed for just now, £20 above my calculated 3 year average but £60 under the 2018-19 year which I thought they might use, easy peasy, no sign of a creaking system as I heard about yesterday, and for the late night owls: your claim date is a calendar date, starts at 1s past midnight.
I am guessing the UC will use the one off 3 month payment on a cash accounting basis though rather than smoothing it so I probably won't get anything from them on my next due date.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's being discussed on the freelancers thread, maybe quote the post below & ask, as they had an earlier date to apply & has done already -
www.urban75.net
Freelancers during this crisis and the Self Employment Income Support Scheme
Ive been self employed for 12 years, never tried to keep profits deliberately low, still working through this, not sure I've suffered 'hardship', but I'm certainly claiming this freebie when they screw us with national insurance next time. do you write music?
www.urban75.net
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