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Starry Wisdom
there must be more to it than that.
Freedom Anarchist Newspaper
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there is much more. But officially that was the reason for my expulsion.
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Starry Wisdom
i heard that there was some sort of effort to get rid of the shop manager a few months back. i wonder, are the two things - that and your departure from the collective - perhaps in some way connected?
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you're privy to much more of the white hart gossip than i am.
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Starry Wisdom
I'll take that as a 'yes' then
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Good your still wanting to turn this around NO, any chance we can invigorate the collective and get you back at the helm?
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the article has just gone up on the website.
http://www.freedompress.org.uk/news/2012/07/19/the-future-of-freedom/
It is lie after lie. A couple of ex-editors are going to draft a proposal. This really can't go unchallenged. Over £40,000 has gone into the pockets of two people at freedom in the past three years. Ironically enough they are the only two people in charge of the finances.
Bullshit of the highest order
http://www.freedompress.org.uk/news/2012/07/19/the-future-of-freedom/
It is lie after lie. A couple of ex-editors are going to draft a proposal. This really can't go unchallenged. Over £40,000 has gone into the pockets of two people at freedom in the past three years. Ironically enough they are the only two people in charge of the finances.
Bullshit of the highest order
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Starry Wisdom
how much have you received from freedom over the past three years?
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around £2500.
But I was assured, along with all the other people in the freedom collective, by those who hold the purse strings that freedom was making an increased profit. As soon as we were told freedom was in financial crisis my initial proposal was to stop all wages (including mine) for a year to get us back on track. I also put forward a 12 point plan to make freedom newspaper financially self-sufficent within a year.
You really are out of your depth on this one.
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Starry Wisdom
i don't know what you mean by 'you are really out of your depth on this one'. i am, after all, asking questions on a public bulletin board, i'm hardly displaying estoteric knowledge known to but a few.
your bitterness comes across quite strongly on this thread. it seems to me that you've got to work quite hard to fall out with so many members of the freedom collective that you're expelled. it's by no means the sort of thing i imagine happens overnight! from what you say it seems that none of the bad things which are happening down angel alley are your fault. which, as a member of the collective for the past few years, i would have thought you'd have had a hand in.
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bitter and angry mate. If that is directed unnecessarily towards you i apologise.
You will have to ask the others how/why i pissed them off. Maybe start with donald.
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Starry Wisdom
fair play
love detective
there's no love too small
Hoffman made an explicit claim that your leaving was a direct consequence of something to do with BTF
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
I'll take a subscription when I get paid next although I've heard from reliable peeps that Freedom Press is very badly organised so I do wonder whether the present financial calamity could have been avoided.
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Really?! is it online somewhere? Not true btw
Let's keep the love letters in one place.
http://hoffmanphotos.blogspot.co.uk...ce-of-catching.html?showComment=1342867377096
This actually could do with a thread in its own right away from the wider topic of frredom's issues and phil's derail attempts. He needs a good shitstorm and shaming ceremony.
E2a: he's a bit sharp on the removal of comments like.
love detective
there's no love too small
I didn't think it was true, but he does seem to be trying to leverage off the fallout in FP and use it for his own ends to stir up shit
He made this comment about you in a meeting that was brokered by Trading Standards to try and avoid the court case
Your former comrade at FP also said it was not true - but that didn't stop Hoffman continuing to claim it was true
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yes start 1 up! this guy is a shit-heel.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Just for clarity, and not wanting to get into specifics of how these relationships broke down (this not being the place and most of the collective not being around to have their say) it was because you accused the entire collective of not being anarchists as part of a lengthy series of insinuations that it was being run as a clique, on a friendship model and that everyone involved was guilty of being part a conspiracy to remove you, as opposed to holding a free vote based on the reality of the situation. Other than you and your partner, no-one else in the collective took your position. No-one else left, or is part of writing this denunciation document you keep plugging.
As for finances, personally I've never denied that the paper has been just about breaking even, but that is only a small part of the finances. The Press as a whole isn't far off bankrupt because of Hoffman. We're still working on a plan to try and keep the paper running (which is in large part why we are having trouble keeping the paper going - not enough editors to run it), but if finances aren't found it'll go under. Them's the facts.
Incidentally, you earned £2,500 more as editor of the paper in what, a year or two than I managed in five years while also holding down a full-time job. And as for the two people you mention, Freedom is their full-time job which up until then simply wasn't getting done, for which they are get a fraction of official London poverty pay. The scandal is that Freedom pays so little, not that it's splashing cash wastefully.
Hmmm. Don't know enough about it/him to word it right. And there's a photography contingent on here who may come out in support of him...
love detective
there's no love too small
Well yeah. But it's titled Freedom Anarchist Newspaper, not Cunthead Parasitic Photographer Fucks Over Collectives using Legal Heavy Handedness (or whatever).
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do you still consider freedom a workers co-op?
just seen his responses on twitter and he seems to relish the attention
he really doesn't like copyright violation though, and well, this is the internet ...
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This perhaps needs responding to.
the new monthly paper was run by one editor (in chief) and had 3 contributing editors. Incidentally the same editor in chief 'ran' the website single handedly, while trying to prevent himself being evicted from his home, having various utilities being cut off, and having 3 debt collectors on his back. I averaged a 36 hr week working on freedom. (not including all the work i did on the building - which was also done for free).
I also put forward a plan to have the paper financially self-sufficent within a year. I can guarantee not one of you have read it, or have any intention of putting it into practice.
The simple truth is, having spent 3 years in the company of the people down a freedom not one of them (yourself excluded) has the capacity, ability or desire to editor the paper.
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Of course he is. He's being mentioned more than he ever has as a result of this and can wax lyrical over the binary waves.
But then he'll have to get back with his parasitic leaching off the movement and when he's out and about doing that perhaps the attention he gets won't be as enjoyable.
cesare
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Thread in photography forum? Could be interesting.
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